Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by BRADS

No, I'm just saying that with all the weird and wonderful wildcats we have trying to explain to a fellow shooter what we have is hard enough, let alone someone on a phone.
The serial number is your way of demonstrating that you've done your part.

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So in the case of two rifles that by chance happen to have the same serial number, ho do you propose to distinguish between them? Make model serial and caliber are the accepted identification types we regularly use, everything else is an 'accessory' basically. If the registry can't get that info right, it's a fail before it begins. Even in the case of switch barrel rifles, there's a massive problem in that what happens if the barrel the thing is wearing at inspection isn't the one it wore when it was registered?

Originally Posted by No.3

So in the case of two rifles that by chance happen to have the same serial number, ho do you propose to distinguish between them? Make model serial and caliber are the accepted identification types we regularly use, everything else is an 'accessory' basically. If the registry can't get that info right, it's a fail before it begins. Even in the case of switch barrel rifles, there's a massive problem in that what happens if the barrel the thing is wearing at inspection isn't the one it wore when it was registered?

Have a look at the website what your suggesting above is covered there.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

Have a look at the website what your suggesting above is covered there.

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No it isn't.

Originally Posted by No.3

No it isn't.

There's definitely information on there answering the scenario you posted above I had a look see before posting
I definitely don't have all the answers. Registration certainly wasn't easy for me, I'm just trying to post advice that might help someone out

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Originally Posted by BRADS

There's definitely information on there answering the scenario you posted above I had a look see before posting
I definitely don't have all the answers. Registration certainly wasn't easy for me, I'm just trying to post advice that might help someone out

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Yeah, the info isn't an explanation as such though - for example, the switch barrel explanation is register the caliber of the barrel fitted at the time of registration... It's a bit of a stretch though if you have a single barrel firearm with a rifle and a shotgun barrel and the thing is wearing the opposite handed barrel at the time of an inspection. "It's a rifle but it's registered as a shotgun - how do you explain this!" is not the discussion I want to be having. Practically we know you just swap the barrels over and hey presto it's correct, but for me this is just shades of the A-cat/E-cat argument with a 7-round vs a higher capacity mag - academic until it comes time to explain it to Mr or Mrs no-ears and bad day...

Originally Posted by No.3

Yeah, the info isn't an explanation as such though - for example, the switch barrel explanation is register the caliber of the barrel fitted at the time of registration... It's a bit of a stretch though if you have a single barrel firearm with a rifle and a shotgun barrel and the thing is wearing the opposite handed barrel at the time of an inspection. "It's a rifle but it's registered as a shotgun - how do you explain this!" is not the discussion I want to be having. Practically we know you just swap the barrels over and hey presto it's correct, but for me this is just shades of the A-cat/E-cat argument with a 7-round vs a higher capacity mag - academic until it comes time to explain it to Mr or Mrs no-ears and bad day...

well if dickheads on an A cat didnt keep putting hi capacity magazines in the plurry rifle...and certain retailers hadnt kept selling the two together with a wink wink wink attitude we wouldnt be having this discussion.

how many folks run a different set of tyres n rims on WOF DAY??? enough that it is an issue... and its no different.
how many folks have 2-3-6 trailers and only one registration /numberplate and wof and simply switch them around depending on what they want to use on the day??? I know of 3 folks who have done so for years.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well if dickheads on an A cat didnt keep putting hi capacity magazines in the plurry rifle...and certain retailers hadnt kept selling the two together with a wink wink wink attitude we wouldnt be having this discussion.

how many folks run a different set of tyres n rims on WOF DAY??? enough that it is an issue... and its no different.
how many folks have 2-3-6 trailers and only one registration /numberplate and wof and simply switch them around depending on what they want to use on the day??? I know of 3 folks who have done so for years.

Different sets of rims and tyres aren't really an issue as you don't end up having to list your tyre brand on the rego form. More likely to be an issue is the chipping and modifying of engines/exhausts to really step up power output and then tweaking suspension etc right up to and past the cert requirements. I dunno about the trailers, most people I know rego the trailer for sod all and forget the WOF! Get pulled up for being out of WOF for the trailer for X number of years and it's like Oh yeah - um. Yeah right mate...

Lets not mention the diesels with magic odo switches then. Most of the modern gear can't be done without interrupting the ECU as they record distance travelled for all of the service and warranty requirements, so it's immediately obvious whats going on. Bugger hey?

The hi-cap mags was a bit of a hard one, really was there any difference to connecting mags and just flipping them over or the old competition speedloader setups for shotguns or even stripper clips? If you followed the law there was never an issue - even if there were retailers skirting the system (personally never experienced a retailer selling Ecat firearms who had a stock of hicap mags on the floor - most people got their mags privately or via Trademe after buying a legit A-cat firearm and floated around the restriction that way). As soon as the licensing system went to the pack, that's when the issues started and it followed on from there. The issue now isn't the fact you have switch barrel firearms - it's with the attitude that some people who should know better turn up with come interaction time when they appear to have the belief that there is no such thing as "fit and proper" just people they haven't caught yet.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well if dickheads on an A cat didnt keep putting hi capacity magazines in the plurry rifle...and certain retailers hadnt kept selling the two together with a wink wink wink attitude we wouldnt be having this discussion.

how many folks run a different set of tyres n rims on WOF DAY??? enough that it is an issue... and its no different.
how many folks have 2-3-6 trailers and only one registration /numberplate and wof and simply switch them around depending on what they want to use on the day??? I know of 3 folks who have done so for years.

And the police knew it was happening, but didn’t see it as important. We took it up with an AO in Auckland and COLFO, they didn’t want to stir the pot.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well if dickheads on an A cat didnt keep putting hi capacity magazines in the plurry rifle...and certain retailers hadnt kept selling the two together with a wink wink wink attitude we wouldnt be having this discussion.

how many folks run a different set of tyres n rims on WOF DAY??? enough that it is an issue... and its no different.
how many folks have 2-3-6 trailers and only one registration /numberplate and wof and simply switch them around depending on what they want to use on the day??? I know of 3 folks who have done so for years.

Registration was going to happen no matter what.

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Ok, dumbass questions
1) If I buy a firearm off an unregistered person, do I need to register it as an activating circumstance? (I had thought that I did)
2) If I buy or somehow acquire an unregistered or "grey" gun at some point in the future, whether I am registered or not, how do I bring that gun into the fold, as it were?