Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Aparently built on SAP their consultants will get very rich.

The problems noted above are somewhat concerning to say the least.

Let's face it. Everytime govt in NZ tries an IT thing they fuck it up

We need a "you're bloody right but I can't like it" button...

Originally Posted by Steve123

Let's face it. Everytime govt in NZ tries an IT thing they fuck it up

Yup
They are good at fuckery but they seem to do even better when IT is involved

Originally Posted by blip

Rifle, shotgun, pistol, serial no should be all they need....why do they need to know cal etc?

So when they start restricting ammo sales, they will know what you can buy. Conspiracy? Look at other countries with registers. When confiscations of "high power" firearms start ie WA and Canada, they will know how many of what to confiscate.
To repeat myself this is a political undertaking.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Let's face it. Everytime govt in NZ tries an IT thing they fuck it up

IRDs new system works pretty well, came in under budget and on time.

Where NZ had trouble was they wanted bespoke solutions for each agency. The system running the register was an off the shelf product, with some minor cosmetic tweaks, not a bespoke solution.

Originally Posted by HG Man

IRDs new system works pretty well, came in under budget and on time.

Where NZ had trouble was they wanted bespoke solutions for each agency. The system running the register was an off the shelf product, with some minor cosmetic tweaks, not a bespoke solution.

“Off the shelf product” …. Not Canadian by any chance?

Tricky little job to do the website registration - at least for me.

Few little steps that aren't quite so clear. Finally rang the help number and - eventually - got a young lady who helped me register (submit) 2 of my rifles on the site. Then was able to do the rest without hiccups. As others have mentioned earlier, the helper enabled this to be done promptly. Recommended. And good to have this job done.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

“Off the shelf product” …. Not Canadian by any chance?

Australian. Objective Corp is the outfits name.

Originally Posted by mudgripz

Tricky little job to do the website registration - at least for me.

Few little steps that aren't quite so clear. Finally rang the help number and - eventually - got a young lady who helped me register (submit) 2 of my rifles on the site. Then was able to do the rest without hiccups. As others have mentioned earlier, the helper enabled this to be done promptly. Recommended. And good to have this job done.

Glad to get your thoughts. Your experience pretty much parallels mine. The steps to recording details are not all obvious or instinctive and it's easy to become flustered, at least that's my experience. But the call centre staff are eager to help although you can tell they are also struggling with the system a bit. But once you understand and follow the necessary steps getting the info into the register is fairly easy.

Originally Posted by HG Man

Australian. Objective Corp is the outfits name.

They won the 13 million dollar contract to set up the registry over 5 yrs , they were fined $1.5mil in the courts here around the same time for breaching commerce act rules I believe go figure ….

Strange experience so far.

I tried to finish setting up my profile and it wouldn’t recognise my license and kept getting error messages. Range up the helpline and was told to try with capital letters instead. First red flag that a public access data driven piece of software doesn’t work properly when it only accepts capital letters… Anyway it still didn’t work. The lady mentioned there had been numerous calls with the same issue, but weirdly she still act all baffled when mine wouldn’t work. So it’s been elevated to technical support to get fixed and might take up to a week…

While I had someone on the phone, I decided to clarify some things. It’s been mentioned about custom/wildcat calibres already but I asked the question about how it will work. I was out on hold, and she came back with the answer that I would have to phone in the details of a firearm of custom caliber and they would input it into the system. I think this is a different answer to what has been already mentioned. No clue to which is correct…

I asked about registering unbarreled actions and what caliber they would be. I was out through to an ‘arms officer’ to be the answer. His answer was ‘wow great question, I’ve never been asked that one.’ �� Really? Ok then. Anyway, the answer is that it doesn’t require a caliber, just make model and serial.

I also asked if I would be still given a full 30 days allowance for registration, given that I may not be able to access the system for a week while the previous issue is being addressed, and that I have an activating event today. The response was general confusion and uncertainty, and a muttering about ‘oh you’ll probably be ok.’ Not very reassuring.

So far pretty unimpressed.

I have rifles that don't have a model on them....fun times

Originally Posted by -BW-

Strange experience so far.

I tried to finish setting up my profile and it wouldn’t recognise my license and kept getting error messages. Range up the helpline and was told to try with capital letters instead. First red flag that a public access data driven piece of software doesn’t work properly when it only accepts capital letters… Anyway it still didn’t work. The lady mentioned there had been numerous calls with the same issue, but weirdly she still act all baffled when mine wouldn’t work. So it’s been elevated to technical support to get fixed and might take up to a week…

While I had someone on the phone, I decided to clarify some things. It’s been mentioned about custom/wildcat calibres already but I asked the question about how it will work. I was out on hold, and she came back with the answer that I would have to phone in the details of a firearm of custom caliber and they would input it into the system. I think this is a different answer to what has been already mentioned. No clue to which is correct…

I asked about registering unbarreled actions and what caliber they would be. I was out through to an ‘arms officer’ to be the answer. His answer was ‘wow great question, I’ve never been asked that one.’ �� Really? Ok then. Anyway, the answer is that it doesn’t require a caliber, just make model and serial.

I also asked if I would be still given a full 30 days allowance for registration, given that I may not be able to access the system for a week while the previous issue is being addressed, and that I have an activating event today. The response was general confusion and uncertainty, and a muttering about ‘oh you’ll probably be ok.’ Not very reassuring.

So far pretty unimpressed.

Yep, making it case insensitive is easy and one of the fundamentals

It seems like they have cobbled together a system to record Tikka's and Howa's and everything else is just an afterthought. I wonder just actually how useful some of this data will be to police and crown law when it comes to prosecutions if they are reliant on register information that has just been winged to make it work.

Originally Posted by Beavis

It seems like they have cobbled together a system to record Tikka's and Howa's and everything else is just an afterthought. I wonder just actually how useful some of this data will be to police and crown law when it comes to prosecutions if they are reliant on register information that has just been winged to make it work.

I don't know if every possible make is loaded into the system but looked to me like quite a comprehensive list. All my firearms are relatively well known makes so I didn't have too much trouble listing them. I would think once one understands the steps required it will be possible to self list the great majority firearms. Really obscure makes I presume will need a phone call to record details.