Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by No.3

And that in a nutshell is the main issue with the registration thing. Man in the above situation buys a firearm from overseas, but it has to go under the person who has it 'in possession's' licence details for the principle of registration. Said owner (read: lawful owner but not registered possessor) can buy and sell as many firearms as he likes provided the 'possessor' plays nicely and is happy to transfer in and out while all this buying and selling by the lawful owner is going on. Now where this gets stuffed up is if something happens to the registered possessor while the lawful owner is out of the loop - the firearms basically go into limbo and what happens to them then - if the lawful owner (but not possessor) doesn't want them sold who takes possession in the interim? It's bloody murky. Similarly, what happens if you go overseas for a short trip that for whatever reason gets extended outside 30 days and you haven't transferred them out of your ownership? Or for that matter a stint working out of your home region? I've asked the question but no answer - this was a while back though. For it to be strictly correct do you have to have someone come in and uplift for you?

Why would you worry, if they’re secured, I’ve had extended trips overseas and never given them a thought, of course now , if it over 6 weeks, they stop my pension

Originally Posted by Maca49

Mark Mitchell thinks it’s necessary,

He talks a big game. We shall see. Fuck him and his straw buyer shit.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Why would you worry, if they’re secured, I’ve had extended trips overseas and never given them a thought, of course now , if it over 6 weeks, they stop my pension

Ha, that'll slow you down...

I'm in the same boat kind of as @JustAnotherSpearo we have 3 Fal holders in the household and have one safe that we all share.
wonder how that all works. when it comes to whose guns are whose wonder if we will need to label them with name and FAL number for when we get inspected
we will be due an inspection next year. as mums license is up for renewal

What about all the firearms & there are plenty of them so far, with incorrect cartridges or models recorded against their info as they "aren't on the list" so the "closest one is used"

Its going to take ages to register my personal firearms, very few "standard off the shelf" ones amongst them & I'm not interested at all in incorrect info being loaded against them

Hopefully they will have that sorted by then........

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

What about all the firearms & there are plenty of them so far, with incorrect cartridges or models recorded against their info as they "aren't on the list" so the "closest one is used"

Its going to take ages to register my personal firearms, very few "standard off the shelf" ones amongst them & I'm not interested at all in incorrect info being loaded against them

Hopefully they will have that sorted by then........

Not sorted yet
Several of mine are registered wrong caliber at their insistence
I intend getting them changed to correct in a few months

They struggled with

.25 Rimfire

12.7x44R

50 Eley which is what's on the barrel and went in as 500 3" BPE. That's what it is but not in the barrel

Unknown maker

Oh
And 307 Winchester you really couldn't cope with and it went in as 308 Win !

Right now this is a laugh,but down the track you will need the papers to be correct in order to buy the cartridges for you rifle.

Originally Posted by norsk

Right now this is a laugh,but down the track you will need the papers to be correct in order to buy the cartridges for you rifle.

It's not a laugh it's a complete clusterfluck. This should have been sorted out prior to 'go-live'...

Yeah well same
Got a 308 P14. That should be a 303
Also have a 25-303, same deal. Wonder if it will throw the toys out of the cot.
The obvious thing here is they have tried to make it as easy for their data entry as possible bit onle works for what they have decided to be a definitive list.
A bit like the great confiscation....I mean buy back. They tried to Pigeon hole every single different one so they could identify value, which ultimately meant they missed some out.

You all need to realise that the consultants who design and program these data systems are not "off in the weeds" like some of us firearms owners / collectors.
They genuinely have no idea whats out there.

I have now spoken to 5 people on the FSA phone system.
They have all been decent to deal with.
I have warned them all that the big collectors who are generally older and who have the large collections will be the last to register and that the tonnage is yet to come.
They do not accept my warning that the serious 200 to 500 firearms guys do exist and that there are a handful of mega collectors with around 1000 items that technically need to be registered.

Originally Posted by akaroa1

You all need to realise that the consultants who design and program these data systems are not "off in the weeds" like some of us firearms owners / collectors.
They genuinely have no idea whats out there.

I have now spoken to 5 people on the FSA phone system.
They have all been decent to deal with.
I have warned them all that the big collectors who are generally older and who have the large collections will be the last to register and that the tonnage is yet to come.
They do not accept my warning that the serious 200 to 500 firearms guys do exist and that there are a handful of mega collectors with around 1000 items that technically need to be registered.

They are in for a rude shock. I know several greater than 1 million dollar collections in 1 city.

Did they try and argue what you were saying?

This is the point I was making, the system should be flexible enough to cater for the weird and abstract as of right - regardless of the priorities of the people that are doing the software engineering on the thing. This is almost like the pressure cylinder registration system aka the LAB/SP LAB number system. There are so many cases of SP LAB numbers issued where there was already a design approval/LAB number for that cylinder that meant the cylinders should just have been whacked with that number (ignoring the fact that it just invalidated the coating warranty on that cylinder but that's by the by). There are many cases in the LAB register of identical cylinders registered under different LAB numbers due to one or two minor differences in recordings, so the entire thing goes pear shaped as a register due to data crumples.

I can see the registry going bad to worse and ending up being useless in short time just due to the issues mentioned. As I keep saying, I'm not against the idea of a registry provided it is proven secure, is accurate, is cost effective and actually contributes to public safety and what we are seeing so far - doesn't appear to meet any of those tests just due to the way it's been done without subject matter experts involved in the design and development phases and the quality of the supporting infrastructure backing it up.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

They are in for a rude shock. I know several greater than 1 million dollar collections in 1 city.

Did they try and argue what you were saying?

The value of the collection is immaterial as the firearms value is not entered

When we disagreed she went to an arms officer for advice and that is what was entered

I intend correcting these minor inaccuracies