Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by akaroa1

The value of the collection is immaterial as the firearms value is not entered

When we disagreed she went to an arms officer for advice and that is what was entered

I intend correcting these minor inaccuracies

It's value based on numbers, in the cases I'm thinking if. Indirect inference

Got my paper application in to renew my firearm licence last week, so no point prolonging the agony i thought and had a go at the Registry. Well despite repeated attempts i couldn't get past the realme thing so gave up on that and tried to ring them but after being put on hold for 20 min i gave up on that too.
Got a mate coming around for lunch today with his teenage son so ill ask him about this realme thing , he might be able to tell me where i'm going wrong LOL

Originally Posted by 30late

Got my paper application in to renew my firearm licence last week, so no point prolonging the agony i thought and had a go at the Registry. Well despite repeated attempts i couldn't get past the realme thing so gave up on that and tried to ring them but after being put on hold for 20 min i gave up on that too.
Got a mate coming around for lunch today with his teenage son so ill ask him about this realme thing , he might be able to tell me where i'm going wrong LOL

Funny ! so teens Are good for something these-days

Originally Posted by akaroa1

You all need to realise that the consultants who design and program these data systems are not "off in the weeds" like some of us firearms owners / collectors.
They genuinely have no idea whats out there.

I have now spoken to 5 people on the FSA phone system.
They have all been decent to deal with.
I have warned them all that the big collectors who are generally older and who have the large collections will be the last to register and that the tonnage is yet to come.
They do not accept my warning that the serious 200 to 500 firearms guys do exist and that there are a handful of mega collectors with around 1000 items that technically need to be registered.

Yep, and most will be odd ball shit, minds bad enough, but some I’ve seen will really excite them

Originally Posted by No.3

This is the point I was making, the system should be flexible enough to cater for the weird and abstract as of right - regardless of the priorities of the people that are doing the software engineering on the thing. This is almost like the pressure cylinder registration system aka the LAB/SP LAB number system. There are so many cases of SP LAB numbers issued where there was already a design approval/LAB number for that cylinder that meant the cylinders should just have been whacked with that number (ignoring the fact that it just invalidated the coating warranty on that cylinder but that's by the by). There are many cases in the LAB register of identical cylinders registered under different LAB numbers due to one or two minor differences in recordings, so the entire thing goes pear shaped as a register due to data crumples.

I can see the registry going bad to worse and ending up being useless in short time just due to the issues mentioned. As I keep saying, I'm not against the idea of a registry provided it is proven secure, is accurate, is cost effective and actually contributes to public safety and what we are seeing so far - doesn't appear to meet any of those tests just due to the way it's been done without subject matter experts involved in the design and development phases and the quality of the supporting infrastructure backing it up.

But have a think, when will it be useful i solving crime? It certainly has benefits for confiscating off the law abiding and putting clamps on same, but solving crime, SFA

@Maca49 nope it won't do bugger all.
They use straw buyers as a big thing for it but the numbers suggest that is way lower than they would like to admit.
Crims don't give a shit about rules so it doesn't affect them.
It's only real use is for future bans and conspiracy suggests pandering to the UN disarmament protocols.

Originally Posted by 30late

Got my paper application in to renew my firearm licence last week, so no point prolonging the agony i thought and had a go at the Registry. Well despite repeated attempts i couldn't get past the realme thing so gave up on that and tried to ring them but after being put on hold for 20 min i gave up on that too.
Got a mate coming around for lunch today with his teenage son so ill ask him about this realme thing , he might be able to tell me where i'm going wrong LOL

Update- mates son was too busy on his own device! but mates partner is a bit of a IT wizz and got this realme login thing sorted in a couple minutes . So now i've got this ultra complicated username and password that i would never have thought of on my own.
Anyway after ole mate and his family left i logged back into myfirearms no trouble at all, and even though its been designed by 'Micky Mouse' i got all my firearm details entered without much trouble, until i clicked on submit and it told me i had an invalid ID reference !! WTF is that no idea, so had to ring them today. A very helpful bloke answered almost straight away this time and told me all i needed to do was delete the extra drop boxes that i didn't need, so did that and it excepted my submission PHEW

Originally Posted by csmiffy

@Maca49 nope it won't do bugger all.
They use straw buyers as a big thing for it but the numbers suggest that is way lower than they would like to admit.
Crims don't give a shit about rules so it doesn't affect them.
It's only real use is for future bans and conspiracy suggests pandering to the UN disarmament protocols.

COLFO's latest OIA from police confirms that police do not keep records of diversions, so they have no evidence to say that firearms are coming from LFO's. Still that doesnt stop that weasel Carhill from saying it.

Originally Posted by akaroa1

You all need to realise that the consultants who design and program these data systems are not "off in the weeds" like some of us firearms owners / collectors.
They genuinely have no idea whats out there.

I have now spoken to 5 people on the FSA phone system.
They have all been decent to deal with.
I have warned them all that the big collectors who are generally older and who have the large collections will be the last to register and that the tonnage is yet to come.
They do not accept my warning that the serious 200 to 500 firearms guys do exist and that there are a handful of mega collectors with around 1000 items that technically need to be registered.

TTP are having an upload function built for big collections to be uploaded by spread sheet, same as dealers will eventually.

Like most LFO’s I wasn’t keen to register, however bought a rifle at auction way too cheap, gave up on Real Me real quick, phone option was surprisingly good, the bloke on the other end was bloody good, he amazed with my 19 firearms, I remarked; wait the big collectors register with 400-500 firearms

I don’t know why people are having issues with specific calibres being entered into the system. The people I spoke to one the phone have insisted to me that they entered everything I said verbatim, including a wildcat calibre I named after myself. The lady entering the information said they change the details to anything that’s desired.

On the calibre front - is it calibre ie .22 6 mm etc - OR the cartridge - ie 22-250 6mm-284 etc.

I thought legislation was calibre, of which there arnt that many - or are they asking for the cartdige? - of which there is godzillions......

Originally Posted by Maca49

But have a think, when will it be useful i solving crime? It certainly has benefits for confiscating off the law abiding and putting clamps on same, but solving crime, SFA

It doesn't have any impact on crime,none at all, It is a instrument of delayed confiscation . Once you register a gun ,you from that moment on simply borrow if from the government until they take it from you at some point in the future.

This has always been a major motivation in firearms registers.

Originally Posted by Doghead

On the calibre front - is it calibre ie .22 6 mm etc - OR the cartridge - ie 22-250 6mm-284 etc.

I thought legislation was calibre, of which there arnt that many - or are they asking for the cartdige? - of which there is godzillions......

From my interpretation of what people are saying they are using cartridge case designation, only it seems they haven't got a complete list of the godzillions of chamberings so are just putting it down as something, with whatever criteria the person dreams up to use.
For those that say they will go in and correct the information latter, I wonder how this will be done as if the chambering isn't listed you can't choose it and if it can be added why didn't the person entering the details do that instead of using something else.

My interpretation of entering the firearm details and putting 308 for the cartridge and it's actually a 307, that firearm doesn't exist, It's a bit like putting the wrong serial number in the system, or calling it a lever action when it's a bolt action. The defining information for a firearm needs to be correct or the registry is a waste of time and money and it's only use would be for firearm confiscation where the number of firearms confiscated is the goal.

Originally Posted by norsk

It doesn't have any impact on crime,none at all, It is a instrument of delayed confiscation . Once you register a gun ,you from that moment on simply borrow if from the government until they take it from you at some point in the future.

This has always been a major motivation in firearms registers.

I can only hope you’re wrong!