Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by No.3

I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.

What was mentioned to me (by the operator that got themselves into a fuss) was that if duplicate entries are entered into the system, they would work out which one was correct and delete one, or something like that I think. But it was hard to tell with that particular operator as they were in a bit of a tizz, and had the phone manner of a 9 year old with stage fright performing in the school play. I ended up hanging up on them and calling the registration line.

riddle me this then...
for lets pretend sake...you are storing 3-4 firearms for a friend...or friend of friend...as many of us do... you register them like good wee FAL holder we all are,then fall out with said person.... possesion is nine tenths of the law...and you have the firearm registered to your name..... be plurry hard to get it back off you.....
I can see this becoming an issue in the near future.

Originally Posted by Maca49

And the police knew it was happening, but didn’t see it as important. We took it up with an AO in Auckland and COLFO, they didn’t want to stir the pot.

I've spoken with someone who used to be "verry high up" in COLFO who said they'd spoken to the Police around this issue multiple times right up until the events in March. The Police apparently didn't think it was a priority.....

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I've spoken with someone who used to be "verry high up" in COLFO who said they'd spoken to the Police around this issue multiple times right up until the events in March. The Police apparently didn't think it was a priority.....

A lot of people raised it no just Colfo. What I heard it being explained as, was that the cost involved in sorting it would have most likely cooked the entire budget and the thought of rocking the boat wasn't appealing. Until it became something that couldn't be avoided any longer and we know how that went...

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I've spoken with someone who used to be "verry high up" in COLFO who said they'd spoken to the Police around this issue multiple times right up until the events in March. The Police apparently didn't think it was a priority.....

Exactly the result we got, started for us with all the 30 round mags coming back to the bach with ACat licences

so I just bought a "registered" rifle off a fella, does he need to take it off his name before i can put it on my name? Do I get a notification of something saying that he has done so?

Originally Posted by NewbieZAR

so I just bought a "registered" rifle off a fella, does he need to take it off his name before i can put it on my name? Do I get a notification of something saying that he has done so?

Yes. He should ring the register first to notify he has sold it. He will give them your name and license number. That will list the transfer as ‘pending’ on the system. Then you complete the transfer by notifying them of the of purchase.
The only ambiguous part of this process, is if the seller does not do their part first, and the buyer gets left in the dark waiting for notification.
If they don’t contact you within a week or so, ring them instead.

Originally Posted by -BW-

Yes. He should ring the register first to notify he has sold it. He will give them your name and license number. That will list the transfer as ‘pending’ on the system. Then you complete the transfer by notifying them of the of purchase.
The only ambiguous part of this process, is if the seller does not do their part first, and the buyer gets left in the dark waiting for notification.
If they don’t contact you within a week or so, ring them instead.

It sounds more and more onerous…

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

It sounds more and more onerous…

You got that right. They should have designed the system so that buyer or seller could initiate the transfer without the unnecessary complexity. I've done 8 transfers now, 7 as seller and 1 as buyer. I still don't know which ones have been completed unless I call and ask for an update.

Well I bit the bullet and registered all my shit yesterday , I had to ring them twice for advice as I had a few oddball things not in there system , both ladies were very helpful actually and changed things for me over the phone , you do need to go to the Police station after you submitted it to get verified though so you can get access to what you have registered online , that I was not aware of , otherwise once you press submit you can not see you own info ..

Originally Posted by -BW-

You got that right. They should have designed the system so that buyer or seller could initiate the transfer without the unnecessary complexity. I've done 8 transfers now, 7 as seller and 1 as buyer. I still don't know which ones have been completed unless I call and ask for an update.

What they don’t have email? Sorry I’ve not read all 38 pages of this…..and I’ll not give them any ideas from the uk shit it’s a bloody mess here. I’ve kept every email and post that they have sent to me…have it’s own folder…it’s saved my ass I’d advise all to do the same….because they will blame you eh cause there never wrong

I moved house and completed the change of address form back in July, just got an email today (nearly 5 months later) acknowledging my form and reminding me to register my firearms, which I have already done.
Decided to check my submissions, there is no record of the shotgun that I had to ring up about because they didn’t have that make and model in their database.
Tried to do it online today, but when you select the manufacturer to do a search on the only option that comes up is not even that manufacturer.
Now I will have to make another phone call. I will be making a submission when the government has their inquiry into how the registry has improved safety, not.

My experience, so far, has been some positive, and some very negative.

I had to bite the bullet because of an ‘activating event’.
Knowing that a lot of my “stuff” would not (anecdotally) be presented in their drop-down lists, I elected to register by phone.

First cab off the rank at 8:30 one lovely morning with an almost immediate answer of my call. That’s a good start.
As a collector, you’d better believe it if I say I’ve got a lot of “interesting” stuff!

As we make way through my list, it became abundantly clear that whoever designed the system had not taken the time (ANY time) to sit down with any member/s of the firearm fraternity and input known makes, models etc., etc. into the database. A failure that has led to so much confusion and frustration. And, I suspect, a lot of erroneous entries.

Did I say I had a lot of stuff?
My ‘phone call ended five hours and one minute later. ONE ‘phone call!
So far, so good.

But, there’s also another side to my experience.
More recently I was required to transfer an “endorsed” item to my inventory.
Another ‘phone call.
The respondent to my call went through the preamble BS and then it was down to business.
Type of ‘arm – confirmed. Make – confirmed. Model – confirmed. Serial number – ah, NO. We’ve got a different number here. Oh, really. I tendered the serial number again. Ummm, can you send us a photo. No, I will not send you a photo.
Are there any other numbers on the ‘arm. No, there are not!
I then ask if registry has a copy of the permit to possess. Yes, they have.
I now state that the PTA had the details of the ‘arm verified (actually sighted) by the local AO who duly signed the form as having verified those details.

How has it come to pass that a minion within the oh-so-wonderful registry has entered a serial number that was nothing remotely like the actual?
A further ten-minute pause in the ‘phone call while they consulted with an AO. The outcome – they (I suspect, begrudgingly) accepted that the documented serial number must be correct and that they will accept it as such.
Sure does fill me with confidence. NOT.

OK i cant be arsed looking back thru 37 pages to find an answer .....have just registered as i have bought something and the force compels me to ......
tried to register my existing tools but none of them will be accepted , they all come up when looking at make /model etc but wont accept serials apperntly they are invalid? they look pretty valid to me ....havent tried the tool i just bought yet as it went striaight in the safe last night and havent had a chance to look at it

You need to do the initial search for your type of firearm, but don’t put in the serial number. Then go back up and push the blue button. Then select the type of firearm it suggests, then you will be able to out in serial number.