Thread: very sad news for ANZAC Day - Invercargill shooting

Originally Posted by Taff

More regular licensing will have no effect detecting mental health issues, actually as found in the UK it will have the opposite effect, where firearms holders will avoid visiting doctors, for mild depression, for fear of losing there license.

Reminds me of an old boy who walked into a gunshop near my old home town a few years ago. He was a well known regular customer.
He asked to view a 12g, and once handed the gun, reached into his pocket, loaded said gun, and took his own life right there and then.
No one saw that one coming, sadly
Turned out his wife and lifelong partner had recently passed away.

Days ago some LFAO topped himself at a range in Oz.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Just make a medical certificate from a shrink part of the relicensing process.

No certificate, no guns.

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What you been smokin Willis

Originally Posted by systolic

My brother in law in is under the care of the mental health team at his local hospital for his mental health problems.

And when people notice him talking to himself, he sometimes says "Don't worry. I'm just a little bit mental."

So I really don't care if you consider it a derogatory term. It's a common expression and everyone knows what it means.

In the meantime, try this link. It may help you. Punctuation | English Grammar Guide | EF

BITE LIKE A RABID DOG -JUST AS I PREDICTED.you dont care ,youve never cared and it sticks out like a rabid dogs bollocks.no wonder the moniker systolic is used.
dont point the finger at me matey brae just cause the truth hurts.
just because your brother may use the term doesnt mean you should take it as carte blanche.

Originally Posted by screamO

I think the upside is, I reckon mental health is going to get a shit load more funding, not just because of this but it's becoming more acceptable to talk about the old 'black dog' than ever before. My biggest concern would be, are half the doctors even capable of treating the symptoms? IMO I think not, because they haven't been trained for it..........all I hear is, take 2 of these a day and come back and see me in a month if nothing has changed. I know of 2 people that never got to make it back!

more funding -...more funding.....jesus wept keep that thought in mind .no you are sadly mistaken and again you r generalisations about doctors in the filed dont do anything to help your case.
Rogerfuckingnomics is here to stay and health like every other portfolio is subjected to the creative staistical whims of beancounters and their political masters.
Toall you voters out there -next election ask the prick who approaches you cap in hand "vote for me sir"what do you know about the local health budget orlocal mental health .five bloody bob says helltrot out the socialist or tory dogma,and wouldnt have a clue locally.
THEY'D RATHER LEGALISE FUCKING CANNABIS CAUSE ITLL GARNER THE STONER BLUDGER VOTE-yep all lot of whom are already supported by your taxes or are forvever domiciled in my psychotic motels. the last decade i worked in the field of forensic psychiatry dealing with things on two legs that would have a PMT laden bull elephant reaching for valium. 80%of those humans have in their background a prolonged dalliance with piss &electric puha ,often iced with the sexy wee veneer of meth. a lot would literally stuff anything into any orifice to blast themselves into temporary oblivion.cost to treat -huger than donald trumps ego.
reality of more money for EFFECTIVE MENTAL HEALTH-as much show as racing a imbecilic draught horse in the melbourne fucking cup and beating sunset home! and heres the icing on my cake -in 37yrs of work in CHCH i stood in mute silenceas 16 caskets were borne past me -fellow mental health professionals who in that minute moment in time took themselves out of the human race-nurses that is not consumers (modern parlance) when you get your tits in a tangle over mental health services not living up to "yourexpectations" hows about you pause and reflect 'what if i was in their shoes".
Ihave at times when this shit arises actually taken people through the hospital-hmmmmits amazing to see how wideeyed some are when they realise these people are no bloody different to you me or the bloke down the road.
in summary ,there is NO SIMPLE ANSWER.If i drone on Imake no pardons about it -i speak the truthand if you dont like it ,im not asking you to,what im asking is a little respect-not toomuch to ask IMHO

Originally Posted by screamO

I reckon in todays age calling people 'mental' is a bit like using the "N" (nigger) word!!! It's ok for THEM to reference it, as does your brother in law....I spose that is one upside you get when your mental. @kotuku what is the term that should be used? Is it "mental health issues" ?

screamo -say what you like but at least show the person you do respect and acknowledge them.modern parlance (PC)is consumers. a lot of people in my care dont think this is right ,but ll every one has a point of view. what galls me is often these people bear societies stigma of mental illness through no bloody fault of their own ,rather mother nature the perverse old bitch merely having her say.these poor buggers are ridiculed ,looked down on ,or patronised whilst career crims(who have often made the choice)are eyed up by acolytes and enablers and legal gougers as misunderstood heroes.
crims can exert controls over the situation generally -its a matter of choices of action(generally speaking) but mentally ill people are often sucked into a maelstrom of thought and emotion which noone is able to encase or control initially and to do so-if we can is often a prolonged and very complex process with no ironclad guarantees.
theres no release when youve"done your time" or home detention ..more like a life of struggle ,torment and being subject to societies covert sniggers .

Originally Posted by kotuku

more funding -...more funding.....jesus wept keep that thought in mind .no you are sadly mistaken and again you r generalisations about doctors in the filed dont do anything to help your case.
Rogerfuckingnomics is here to stay and health like every other portfolio is subjected to the creative staistical whims of beancounters and their political masters.
Toall you voters out there -next election ask the prick who approaches you cap in hand "vote for me sir"what do you know about the local health budget orlocal mental health .five bloody bob says helltrot out the socialist or tory dogma,and wouldnt have a clue locally.
THEY'D RATHER LEGALISE FUCKING CANNABIS CAUSE ITLL GARNER THE STONER BLUDGER VOTE-yep all lot of whom are already supported by your taxes or are forvever domiciled in my psychotic motels. the last decade i worked in the field of forensic psychiatry dealing with things on two legs that would have a PMT laden bull elephant reaching for valium. 80%of those humans have in their background a prolonged dalliance with piss &electric puha ,often iced with the sexy wee veneer of meth. a lot would literally stuff anything into any orifice to blast themselves into temporary oblivion.cost to treat -huger than donald trumps ego.
reality of more money for EFFECTIVE MENTAL HEALTH-as much show as racing a imbecilic draught horse in the melbourne fucking cup and beating sunset home! and heres the icing on my cake -in 37yrs of work in CHCH i stood in mute silenceas 16 caskets were borne past me -fellow mental health professionals who in that minute moment in time took themselves out of the human race-nurses that is not consumers (modern parlance) when you get your tits in a tangle over mental health services not living up to "yourexpectations" hows about you pause and reflect 'what if i was in their shoes".
Ihave at times when this shit arises actually taken people through the hospital-hmmmmits amazing to see how wideeyed some are when they realise these people are no bloody different to you me or the bloke down the road.
in summary ,there is NO SIMPLE ANSWER.If i drone on Imake no pardons about it -i speak the truthand if you dont like it ,im not asking you to,what im asking is a little respect-not toomuch to ask IMHO

You haven't read that link I posted on grammar and punctuation have you?

Originally Posted by stretch

Days ago some LFAO topped himself at a range in Oz.

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LFAO?

Originally Posted by Rushy

LFAO?

Licensed Firearm Owner

Originally Posted by stretch

Licensed Firearm Owner

Obviously too early in the morning for my thought processes to function.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Obviously too early in the morning for my thought processes to function.

The extra A in there threw me too.

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Originally Posted by hamsav

Is that really your measure .... snyde swipes at someone at the coal face , picking holes in punctuation and grammar.....twice , maybe someone should post you a link on character building and compassion , and something to cure ignorance wouldn't go astray either ..............pull yer head out man

he doesn't need compassion... its deliberate..

and if we're having a session on ignorance how does being deliberately obtuse in your writing style rate??

At least my contributions are not deliberately obtuse... I talk that way too..

Originally Posted by Mauser308

FFS. Once again, we don't agree. Normal traffic resumes...

What bloody good is going to be achieved by sucking up valuable medical professional time (that could be used treating and diagnosing people that do NEED help) doing screening on a 1/4million people who as a group run about 99+% perfectly normal functional members of society... Whackjob idea.

I have to get medical certs to renew my heavy trade, trailer licenses and passenger endorsement. At my own expense.

A cert from a shrink could be at the applicant's expense too. There are plenty of private providers who could do it as a business, like lawyers who specialise in firearms law. I'm not suggesting using health board or public shrinks.

You seem quite worked up about this. Are you worried you might get flagged for something?

Theres no comparison... don't be lame

Originally Posted by systolic

I have to get medical certs to renew my heavy trade, trailer licenses and passenger endorsement. At my own expense.

That's a poor comparison, they're licencing privileges normally associated with commercial activity.
Although regulated, firearms are predominantly a recreational pursuit.

I doubt that further levels of bureaucracy would make a tangible difference in the frequency or outcome in this type of incident. Personally I have no desire to have to pay a stranger to deem me mentally stable on renewal of my licence, two personal referees accomplishes the same thing quite effectively in my opinion.
You can't legislate risk entirely out of any given activity.