Thread: When will trade me sellers learn

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I believe the manufacture of ammunition will be covered by the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act 1996 (and associated ammendements in 2001, 2005, etc).
Arms Act and Arms Regulations do not cover the manufacture of ammunition, only the sale to licence holders or unlicenced people.

Got any confirmation on that BF? It would be good to find out how to become compliant, especially with all the butter wouldnt melt in their mouth types that are quick to point the finger around here

Rushy
I think the full quote deserves airing when it comes to reloading
"Rules are for the obedience of the inexperienced and the guidance of wise men." - Douglas Bader.

No confirmation but I imagine an email to the EPA would get a yes or no. Ammo is considered hazard category 1.4S, safety ammunition.

Cool thanks BT

I know a guy that said he's getting licensed I'll ask what he means by licensed and what's involved etc

Originally Posted by horihunter

I know a guy that said he's getting licensed I'll ask what he means by licensed and what's involved etc

Awesome, thanks HH that will be easier than my blindly fishing thru the web.

NOONE can or will tell you what you need they keep referring you to someone else.
The old arms code used to say you needed a 'special licence' to sell reloaded ammo - however the Police had no idea of this 'special licence'

What I DO know, that you need a dealers licence to manufacture ammo (which is different from reloading - as the components are new)
You also have to comply with EPA, council zoning etc
This is where it gets messy, as depending on what and how much of what you have, certified approved handler licence, hazardous substance location and site test certificate, resource consent etc

We're now sorted for manufacture

So reloading some cartridges for a few mates will not justify getting all that or do you have to have a handler licence?

Originally Posted by R93

So reloading some cartridges for a few mates will not justify getting all that or do you have to have a handler licence?

I spose 'technically' you should, however......

I will get something in writing from the police to cover my ass anyway. I have queried it with them and in several different areas and get the same answer. They dont know and cant see a problem unless it is a large commercial operation.

It will be covered under HSNO Dave. Fucked if Id even know where to start but it bet my left one you'll find something there. It will have changed when the Dangerous Goods Rules were taken over through HSNO. Im an approved handler for a bunch of chemicals and I'd be certain explosives would be in there too. Id also bet that there will be a threshold quantity you would require to require Approved Handler. Like 15+kg powder. This is typical for the likes of LPG and petrol so as to not make it an offence to fill your BBQ or lawnmower.
Spanners and KG may fall into this catergory but I doubt many of us other mere mortals would

I remember reading too (I think on FnH) that it pays to advise your insurance co. If you have more than a few kgs of powder it can void your house insurance.

Allan Millers use to employ a reloader a few years ago Sid was his name ,got ammo off him know problems some of you folk a worse then old women.if you dont want reloads dont buy them .

Cheers James I will try and find something. I have my DG for road and aviation up to certain classes. Mainly fuel.
I dont store or keep powder in the house so I am all good there.


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I was advised in 2002 to do 5 things concerning making ammo availiable for sale.

To keep impeccably detailed records, to get an approved handler license, to have nothing stored at home, to consult my insurance company on the legalaties concerning saleable ammunition manufacture, and to manufacture ammo away from urban residential areas.
I made sure that i complied.

Am happy to answer any PMs on the subject.

You were lucky it was only a .243, had it been a 'real' gun

Tongue in cheek remark Spook???????????????