Thread: When will trade me sellers learn

It will be covered under HSNO Dave. Fucked if Id even know where to start but it bet my left one you'll find something there. It will have changed when the Dangerous Goods Rules were taken over through HSNO. Im an approved handler for a bunch of chemicals and I'd be certain explosives would be in there too. Id also bet that there will be a threshold quantity you would require to require Approved Handler. Like 15+kg powder. This is typical for the likes of LPG and petrol so as to not make it an offence to fill your BBQ or lawnmower.
Spanners and KG may fall into this catergory but I doubt many of us other mere mortals would

I remember reading too (I think on FnH) that it pays to advise your insurance co. If you have more than a few kgs of powder it can void your house insurance.

Cheers James I will try and find something. I have my DG for road and aviation up to certain classes. Mainly fuel.
I dont store or keep powder in the house so I am all good there.


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I was advised in 2002 to do 5 things concerning making ammo availiable for sale.

To keep impeccably detailed records, to get an approved handler license, to have nothing stored at home, to consult my insurance company on the legalaties concerning saleable ammunition manufacture, and to manufacture ammo away from urban residential areas.
I made sure that i complied.

Am happy to answer any PMs on the subject.

You were lucky it was only a .243, had it been a 'real' gun

Tongue in cheek remark Spook???????????????

Originally Posted by walkabout

You were lucky it was only a .243, had it been a 'real' gun

Tongue in cheek remark Spook???????????????

Considering that the part comment was made about 10 days ago in a thread that since got side tracked, and your use of 15 ? marks I summise that it would not matter whether it was TIC or not. If there is a problem then I will move the comment to my WGAF filing system.

Allan Millers use to employ a reloader a few years ago Sid was his name ,got ammo off him know problems some of you folk a worse then old women.if you dont want reloads dont buy them .

What about Belmont.. they 'manufacture' ammo using new components, they also use processed once fired brass, thus making them 'reloads'

So if you give a 'reloader' new brass, they are now 'manufacturing' ammo, and if its put in a Blue cardboard ammo box like a factory one with a sticker on it, how do they differ from say Hornady, Highland, Remington, Blackhills etc other than they are using single stage or progressive gear rather than automated machines.
Blackhills load on Dillons IIRC.

Those that wont buy 'reloads' but will buy 'factory' ammo in a cardboard box with a sticker on it?

this may not be what people are looking for as part of this thread, but i've been looking at getting my 17 years NZDF experience as an Armourer recognised in the real world. As far as the manufacture of ammunion goes i've been told (by the head of the NZ society of Gunsmiths) that i need a dealers licence and it is reccomended that i obtain NZQA standard 9127 (Assemble ammunition using specialist equipment under supervision). the standard references the following acts

Arms Act 1983;
Arms Regulations 1992;
Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act 1996;
Land Transport Act 1998

as stated at the start, not sure if this is what people are wanting but might be a starting place for people to get their skills recognised.

Hey LL speak with the people at NZQA and NZDF to see whether you can get some or all of you time as an armourer to qualify toward units as "recognition of prior learning"

I have an arms code in front of me which Im studying to get my licence. Page 26 is the only reference I can see doesnt say its not allowed, in fact that a page it implies its OK as long as you meet other laws/regulations. Things like you cannot store propelant powders (and I assume primer caps) in your house, that's easy I'll store them under my neighbours then....

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Seriously if you can point out an actual regulation/law as I cant find one. I looked at ERMA and smokeless powder doesnt need any further than you have to have a firearms licence.

Also a gun dealer in Wellington is selling reloaded ammo....he's full case resizing.

regards

Are you aware that the person that reloads the ammo is liable for any injury that may occur using it.
Its all about accountability.You sell your mate some of your reloads & he shoots himself in the foot with it.

Chris, liable for any injury, I odnt believe so. We have ACC, so as per say a car accident ACC pays for the personal injury. I am pretty sure its all encompassing, you cannot sue or claim off an individual. Now if you did something wrong you may well face a criminal charge say the person dies from injury, or say civil damage costs (the gun explodes) via say the CGA if nothing else.

I was talking to a guy at the range the other day who I know, who told me that earlier in the day a bloke had turned up with a rifle he'd just bought second hand & some reloads that came with it. He fired the first round off and the case head separated!! He asked Trev what he thought, and he suggested it might be a good idea to stop there!

Re: Powder I did come across a comment that a council has proposed a bylaw to make limit powder below Govn legislation (5kg and not 15kg I think it was). What worries me is that you think you are law abiding but unknown to you your friendly council says no. That also could have implications for your house / liability insurance....ie its voided as you were not obeying the [by-]law. Ikky to say the least when different organisations have different standards, limits and rules and of course ignorance of the law is no defence.

That was Dunedin City Council.