Thread: Wtf

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Touche.....im going to leave this thread alone now, ive said my 2c.....maybe more!!!!!....everyone knows where i stand.....society will never change, neither will i.......

Closure...strange expression really...how the blazes does it manifest itself...what is it...? Its a cliche...

Hahaha 3 strikes then Rushy double taps ya

so pretty much everyone agrees to disagree and always will , the law is fucked but could be much worse , all lawyers are word ninjas , and always blow on the pie

Lawyers are like bandaids...we can knock them for all we like, until, we need one...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Lawyers are like bandaids...we can knock them for all we like, until, we need one...

haha horrible analogy but i feel what your saying . anyway fuck stressing about what this dickhead dummer dude might or might not do and go hunting/shooting. theres dickheads in every corner of society, huntings no different, some people get what they deserve, most dont. in this life anyway. thats why we got beers and mountains and stripclubs

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Lawyers are like bandaids...we can knock them for all we like, until, we need one...

They are in their own self perpetuating world that we unfortunately must tread from time to time.

Actually most of the law jokes I've heard came from one of my law lecturers/tutors.

Q: What do you call 2000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
A: A good start.

Q: Why don't sharks eat lawyers that fall off yachts?
A: Professional courtesy.

Q: Why are scientists using lawyers for lab experiments rather than rats?
A: They grow less of a personal attachment.

Ah, I've been too busy playing with my guns that I missed this boat...

Anyway, good chat lol


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"The implication is that by being tougher, we would deter more offenders... that is not reality."..........err Sid, we KNOW that.....the crims KNOW that....we just want the 'shite' locked up and out of our houses, cars, pockets, lives ect, ect, ect........

How many times do i have to say the same thing!!!!...the softly, softly kid gloves approach has/is not worked/working....the 'vast majority' of people who are currently in the prison system are not the 'Dummers' who made one ill judge mistake.....

NO...there in there because they have embraced that counter culture lifestyle of not 'working for the man'.....the staunch "ill make my living off the herd".......WELL FUK THEM.....if you cant live with us, we will lock you away from us......

as we are not allowed to castrate them to stop them making more crims, we as a society will just have to carry the burden.....

Sidney, lets hear your views on how we will make NZ into a crime free utopia......one that doesn't involve the government taxing me into the ground?.....there will ALWAYS be crime, so we have to do SOMETHING, the shite that do crime (for a living)
have no conscience, empathy, ect for their victims, thats why 'letting them out early' is not working.....tell me one, just one, thing you would change in the present system that would rehabilitate prisoners, because its not working at the moment, Dougie
and Kotuku are both 'nostril deep' in it at the coal face, i get the feeling you have all the theory but non of the practise?.....prove me wrong

I used to put people into prison for a living Mr Scouser, I am well aware of re-offending, social issues around offending and intergenerational criminality, as well as having some legal training, and a whole lot of other life experience that I am not sure that you have...

Now how long is yours?

Your response seems rather irrational, given that my position is that we cannot simply rely on what you are proposing. It doesn't actually reduce crime as the good ole USA shows us.

The interesting thing to me is Dougie and Kotuku don't seem to have a problem with my position, but you do? Given that we all have some experience in these areas and you don't?

In so far as taxing us into the ground, that will happen if we have to continue building prisons... if you are interested in not being taxed into the ground you may have to consider the other options.

Not much is a short term solution, but that is all you got..... and somehow you resent the idea of thinking more widely that that?

Oh well....looks like we will just have to agree to disagree........see you at the hanging, im bringing beer and cashews!!!!!!

I haven't read any of this thread as "one side or another". Just wanted to put it out there that I've enjoyed reading it, for the most part people have played nice. I think it's really great to discuss these things as they are obviously impacting all of us!

I don't think the way things are are particularly correct - I'm pretty young and this is all new to me, it's all I've ever known - and I certainly don't have the answers. Just good to think about how changes could impact the future.

As for Dummer - I reckon this is something he has to nut out in his own head, the court has decided his fate and that's done and dusted no matter what I guess. As for him picking up a firearm in future, I have no doubts that he already has and will continue to do so. And most likely lawfully too, as where there is one Dummer there are others - who still have their FALs!

Anyway like I said, good chat

sidney -another wee facet youve overlooked old chap and im bloody suprised you didnt produce it.In psychiatric institutions we face a n inescapable hurdle known as institutionalisation; sets in subtly but never completely erasable.
what is it .
put simply its where the individual reaches a stage where he or she realises whilst theyre in detention all their so called life decisions are in fact made for them ,likewise all facilities -recreation ,food ,housing ,medical attention ,legal resources are on tap and free of charge. they need not worry about bills .mortgages, where to get bedding -all provided.likewise you have highly professional house staff ,they only downside being of course ,theyve got the authority to enforce routine and give orders. however after a few years you become used to that ,and if youre smart become "the grey man- completely innocuous(all care no responsibility) ,just doin time ,kickin back and woe is me surviving boredom.Mental illness is a little different as often psychosis (usually drug induced )means mood disorders ,hallucinations etcetc and self control has flown out the window and often completely incurable
release into the community means what exactly -what was previously free requires paying for -,and if in prison you were topdog or whatever-out in society it matters SFA-youre just another entity. fuck this is tough -all these choices and no monies to socialise with the bros etc etc.BTW -the above is sourced from conversations ive had over the years with those whove done a lag!!
doesnt take einstein to realise which option mr crim is going to gravitate toward.
now before you jump in -dont forget there are thousands out society already who face the same challenges daily -BUT-tough it out in a law abiding way and often with dignity barely intact but choosing to grind it out rather than offend against fellow man.
In saying this Iaint forgotten that theres fucking rich crims and fucking poor ones ,but at the end of the day same applies.
How to reduce crime _better self fucking discipline for starters!!!!- the last 20yrs have seen governmentally sponsored social engineering (clark was an exponent), producing a generation of "Iwant it now "type "Who you lookin at" types and last but not least if one arthur taylor is any measure a subsect of institutional bush lawyers who'd give a QC a run for his money.
anyhow Ive laid out my POV so i thinks illleave it there as obviously some are overwhelmed by the plethora of info.,although if anyone has questions ,happy to reply .

@Sidney lets hear your views on how we will make NZ into a crime free utopia

still waiting bro......