Thread: Wtf

Thanks for that reply Sidney, as you say the information is out there if you try, i obviously dont.....as you have already probably gathered im from the oldskool 'hang em high' philosophy......yeah, you know....the good old days.....

I know its only high 'media attention' cases, but when my friends and i talk about retribution from certain incidents, we are mainly all of the same opinion, we are not 'middle class whites' blaming it all on the welfare classes!!!

Ive been on the bottom rung of the class ladder to many times to think of myself otherwise, 2 years on the dole (welfare) under the bitch thatcher (plenty of coal where she is now) taught me that!

Its just that we get totally pissed off to see regular offenders given an easy ride, im not talking about the one off people who make an mistake (Dummer) you know who im talking about, the ones who have taken crime up as a lifestyle!

We (society) are paying for them whether they are inside or not, at least when they are inside they cannot harm us anymore!!!

good luck in your endeavours and career, i can tell from your posts your are very passionate about this subject, thanks for sharing!!!!

I believe there are not there aren't enough consequences for the youths, the current system with Family Group Conferences work for 80% of the youth offenders but the recidivist offenders just laugh at the whole process and continue to offend, then get taken by CYFs but then run away and continue to offend. A lot of these kids don't come from broken homes either, it's not always the parents doing.

I'd like to see some kind of reparation law bought in where any person who causes damages must pay for them at a minimum. Eg, I know a guy that burnt out a $50k vehicle and only got 100hrs of community service! I think they should be paying the full amount whether it's insured or not. Another that I see all the time is people causing thousands of dollars in damage ripping copper piping and cylinders out of houses for a couple of hundred in scrap, do you think they're made responsible for all the damage they've done? Nope, it comes back on the owner or insurance company if they have one. I could go on and on and on with examples of damage done yet they're not held accountable for it.

A lot of the criminal youth and adults you cannot reason with, no amount of our new age punishments will turn them.

I think another good start would be making our prisons a lot less comfortable and make them more like a military prison to discourage people from going back.

A culture change is what is needed, we will never be like the Scandinavian countries. Most of the people I deal with don't want to work and have a sense of entitlement from the government and absolutely no care or respect for anybody else, they also have a below average IQ. How to change this? I don't know. It pisses me off going into their houses and they have big TVs and Sky TV, which most of them do, especially because I can't afford it.

I'm no expert in the matter but I don't believe that giving out longer sentences will do anything, but maybe changing the content of the sentence will. An end to the Police budget freeze would be a bloody good start to.

I agree Savage1, you guys are way under resourced at the sharp end. I'm all for making it easier for those that do fall back into line, but also come down heavy on those that don't. One thing that police HQ feared with the three strikes was some muppet thinking "I've got nothing to lose, if I get caught I might as well be dead." and going out in a hail of fire.

sidney -have you got any bloody idea whatsoever about the realities of case management -youre ratios are fucking laughable .i have communtiy based colleagues who case manage up to 20 persons at any time and frankly theyre run off their bloody feet! jesus wept- to renew a recent quip["allsmoke no hangi!. case management properly executed requires unlimited resources and minute attention to detail ,cause beleive me ,one small oversight and the whole lot willgo down the dunny .been there done that more than once ,and humble pie aint my fuckin meal of choice
number 2 sidney -if a bloody individual does not want to change ,nothing ,i repeat nothing will make em change ,despite all the optimists in this firiggin world holding hands and gently farting on em.
you can quote all the statistics hypotheses etc etc you like but im coming from butt ugly naked unadorned humanity at its lowest point and my own paddling in it for four decades.
gadget I bleive in -i know him ,Ive seen him in action ,and when it comes to good old fashioned plain garden commonsense he has it in spades,unlike a lot who profess to be expert in this subject(that incidentally is not a crack at you OK>

Originally Posted by kotuku

sidney -have you got any bloody idea whatsoever about the realities of case management -youre ratios are fucking laughable .i have communtiy based colleagues who case manage up to 20 persons at any time and frankly theyre run off their bloody feet! jesus wept- to renew a recent quip["allsmoke no hangi!. case management properly executed requires unlimited resources and minute attention to detail ,cause beleive me ,one small oversight and the whole lot willgo down the dunny .been there done that more than once ,and humble pie aint my fuckin meal of choice
number 2 sidney -if a bloody individual does not want to change ,nothing ,i repeat nothing will make em change ,despite all the optimists in this firiggin world holding hands and gently farting on em.
you can quote all the statistics hypotheses etc etc you like but im coming from butt ugly naked unadorned humanity at its lowest point and my own paddling in it for four decades.
gadget I bleive in -i know him ,Ive seen him in action ,and when it comes to good old fashioned plain garden commonsense he has it in spades,unlike a lot who profess to be expert in this subject(that incidentally is not a crack at you OK>

Oh Kotuku.....mate.......if i could get all of that printed on a t-shirt i would mate.....priceless!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by kotuku

sidney -have you got any bloody idea whatsoever about the realities of case management -youre ratios are fucking laughable .i have communtiy based colleagues who case manage up to 20 persons at any time and frankly theyre run off their bloody feet! jesus wept- to renew a recent quip["allsmoke no hangi!. case management properly executed requires unlimited resources and minute attention to detail ,cause beleive me ,one small oversight and the whole lot willgo down the dunny .been there done that more than once ,and humble pie aint my fuckin meal of choice
number 2 sidney -if a bloody individual does not want to change ,nothing ,i repeat nothing will make em change ,despite all the optimists in this firiggin world holding hands and gently farting on em.
you can quote all the statistics hypotheses etc etc you like but im coming from butt ugly naked unadorned humanity at its lowest point and my own paddling in it for four decades.
gadget I bleive in -i know him ,Ive seen him in action ,and when it comes to good old fashioned plain garden commonsense he has it in spades,unlike a lot who profess to be expert in this subject(that incidentally is not a crack at you OK>

Oh please if you are going to get excited you should learn to read first...... you might notice I said per annum... not at once......

2 its not perscriptive, its descriptive... so try not to get your fanny pack knotted...

3 if the average length of sentence is around 6 months (which as I understand it is about correct), for a 20 case load pa, then would have 10 on the go at once.

4 you cannot definitively talk about case load numbers until the amount of workload for each case is defined, and we haven't done that yet have we?

Finally in reference to your obvious change/suitability issues.... are you serious?... that goes without saying... not everyone is suitable nor will be...

Of course the system has to be designed, but we don't work this way in justice yet.... there may some benefits to thinking about the concept though... that is if we can think conceptually rather than focussing on the details which aren't worked out yet...

Can you print that on your t-shirt.....

no im not printing anything on a Tshirt -merely pointing out to your good self that some of your hypotheses are well wide of the mark.its obviously slid home -the tone of your replies and the rising sarcasm suggests to me the emergence of the cunliffe style defence.
lets just lay it to rest eh -its run its course .

Originally Posted by kotuku

sidney -have you got any bloody idea whatsoever about the realities of case management -youre ratios are fucking laughable .i have communtiy based colleagues who case manage up to 20 persons at any time and frankly theyre run off their bloody feet! jesus wept- to renew a recent quip["allsmoke no hangi!. case management properly executed requires unlimited resources and minute attention to detail ,cause beleive me ,one small oversight and the whole lot willgo down the dunny .been there done that more than once ,and humble pie aint my fuckin meal of choice
number 2 sidney -if a bloody individual does not want to change ,nothing ,i repeat nothing will make em change ,despite all the optimists in this firiggin world holding hands and gently farting on em.
you can quote all the statistics hypotheses etc etc you like but im coming from butt ugly naked unadorned humanity at its lowest point and my own paddling in it for four decades.
gadget I bleive in -i know him ,Ive seen him in action ,and when it comes to good old fashioned plain garden commonsense he has it in spades,unlike a lot who profess to be expert in this subject(that incidentally is not a crack at you OK>

As a community case manager I have to agree with you. Some of our case managers have up to 40 clients to look after. The system is so under resourced.

As the old saying goes...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

As a high media case, look at the teenager who attacked the lady at the ATM machine. The woman who came to her rescue is in hospital with serious head injuries. As an aside she has been gifted a large some of money by some very caring people either through generosity or feeling of guilt. This should not be seen by the judicial systems as compensation for what she is going through.

Now to the scumbag offender (and his mate the getaway driver)
Is this his strike one?
Will he be given a group hug and placed back in society?
Will he do a short stint with a warm bed and 3 meals a day?
Who deems him fit to go back into society if he has not reformed during his short stint?
What is there to prevent him from getting more aggressive in future attacks?

I believe that he should be detained until such a time his victim is fully recovered, and living their normal life, then carry out the sentence from that date.
If the victim never fully recovers then he/she is never released. If the prisons are overloaded, stop wasting money on 1080 etc and build more prisons.

As kotuku says, if they are bad, they are bad. There is no deterrent. If the risk of a death penalty does not stop murders or drugs dealing in other countries then nothing will

When I say "until such a time his victim is fully recovered" I mean from physical injury or severe emotional distress (Kotuku can be on the assessment panel).
Not like the Queenstown taxi driver who says he cannot work at night any more because a off duty copper racially abused him. The copper paid him out $400 as ordered by the court FFS

Fuk....ive been called 'scottish' & 'irish' and i didnt get a sausage!!!!!.....not even a pint!!!!!!!!.....now wheres that lawyers number?

Originally Posted by Scouser

Fuk....ive been called 'scottish' & 'irish' and i didnt get a sausage!!!!!.....not even a pint!!!!!!!!.....now wheres that lawyers number?

But that wouldn't be an insult, that would be talking you up.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

But that wouldn't be an insult, that would be talking you up.

To true GM

Ouch!

Oh fuk......just scored another own goal........