Thread: Wtf

Originally Posted by Sidney

Is that sort of emotional decision making how we should run a justice system?

Actually I would say yes. However we run more of a legal system than a justice system here.

It was a rhetorical question, have a stab at how inequitable that would become..... and how quickly we would descend into anarchy

Originally Posted by Sidney

It was a rhetorical question, have a stab at how inequitable that would become..... and how quickly we would descend into anarchy

We are. With the current lack of action at the bottom end, and over use of the wet bus tickets, the crims are lulled into a sense that nothing much will really happen. If you look at countries where the penalties are harsher for more minor crimes they tend to have less of the major crimes.

Ah yep sweet cheers for the list of offences.



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Unlawful/unlicenced possession of ammunition in a private place is also an offence that's not listed there.

It was a rhetorical question.

However, in my view, justice is skewed more towards punishments biased towards the impact of the crimes. This takes into account to a greater extent the effects on the victims, including the families and societies around them. Currently we have more what I call a legal system where the 'rules' are skewed more towards the rights of the perpetrators and their circumstances and a system of rules and processes.

It is not a black and white thing but a large grey scale. It is a matter of where the current position is on that scale.

Look at the likes of Malaysia where tolerances at the lower end of the crime spectrum are dealt with quite severely providing disincentives to the criminal path. More serious crimes are generally at a much lower rate than more lenient systems.

Well said, and all power to your right arm Pete.

When this social experiment was set up what criteria to measure success or failure was put in place? What threshold was put in place to say that it was a failure and end the experiment? At either end of the grey scale we will have anarchy.

Eye for an eye with no guilty intent?

I can understand 'eye for an eye' but only when there is a guilty intent and deliberate action.

Imagine you teenage kid going to jail for life because they took a corner too fast and killed another person, would the punishment fit?

The victim in this matter, his parents said on TV something along the lines of 'He should go away for a long time, I want his family to know what it's like to lose someone'. That to me is just vindictive and victimises the offenders family to make them feel a little better.

There's a big difference between people with guilty intent and people who've made and unintentional mistake, and people that're reckless.

I agree with most of Sidney's posts in this topic.

On a range it is reasonably simple to maintain "direct supervision". You have range officers, known range procedures etc. Not saying it can't go pear shaped, but unlikely.

On the farm or in the bush, mates shoot with a lot less formal rules. Very easy for a guy without a license who wants to try shooting to be handed a firearm, and then to wander off (away from direct supervision) or in a hunting scenario to split up and hunt the next valley etc.

Does that make sense ?

Yes I agree EeeBees, if only it were that simple! Sigh.

Why aren't people just good to each other??!


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Originally Posted by Dougie

Yes I agree EeeBees, if only it were that simple! Sigh.

Why aren't people just good to each other??!


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"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" - Jeramiah.

Laws are written for the guidance of the wise man,the obeyance of the fool

until such time as wise men may sit round a table and reasonably discuss their problems ,nothing in life will ever be resolved.(Dr P K Davison medical supt.seaview hospital hokitika)

Well we all have different ideals, aspirations, sense of self, and on and on and on...we, the human, are the most vicious of all animals...the atrocities that we will exact upon others has no bounds...thankfully, most of us never realise our capabilities...

Yes, Tahr you are right, but it cannot happen overnight...