Thread: Yet another shooting incident in the states

I'll just leave this here

You've said some stupid things in the last few post so I will make some assumptions, I will also make the assumption that you have very little, if any, experience in confrontational and dangerous situations in the real world but deep down you would love the opportunity to be in such a situation all tooled up. A lot of people get a rush from it.

Originally Posted by Savage1

You've said some stupid things in the last few post so I will make some assumptions, I will also make the assumption that you have very little, if any, experience in confrontational and dangerous situations in the real world but deep down you would love the opportunity to be in such a situation all tooled up. A lot of people get a rush from it.

Sure thing bro

Originally Posted by Beavis

Yea pistols actually suck shit at stopping.

No Beavis.

IF you have a large caliber pistol, and IF you have the correct ammunition, and IF you manage to hit someone on the pelvic triangle or enough of the brain to cause major damage, then pistols are really good at "stopping". The point is that it is a whole bunch of IFs...

That is the reason most police forces around the world are quite happy to use tasers. You can hit someone ANYWHERE on their body, and the effect is pretty much instantaneous. And best of all, everyone gets to life another day...

And knives are fantastic offensive weapons (not defensive). A knife requires you to be in physical contact or close proximity with the attacker. That is a very bad idea to start off with

Originally Posted by ebf

No Beavis.

IF you have a large caliber pistol, and IF you have the correct ammunition, and IF you manage to hit someone on the pelvic triangle or enough of the brain to cause major damage, then pistols are really good at "stopping". The point is that it is a whole bunch of IFs...

That is the reason most police forces around the world are quite happy to use tasers. You can hit someone ANYWHERE on their body, and the effect is pretty much instantaneous. And best of all, everyone gets to life another day...

And knives are fantastic offensive weapons (not defensive). A knife requires you to be in physical contact or close proximity with the attacker. That is a very bad idea to start off with

True, would be a pretty limited situations to use a knife in self defense, I'd prefer one to open hand though, given the option. Problem with large caliber pistols is they generally take a hell of a lot of skill to use, and even more in a stressful situation. I remember the first time I fired a .45ACP and a .357 I was thinking holy crap, but I have little girl hands.

Tussock

Knives really are not a good option for self defence, see post 67

The police are not armed because they "like power" They deal with all the scumbags and lowlife wankers on your and my behalf...

Originally Posted by Tussock

Your really going to suggest that a knife is a bad defensive weapon because it requires you to be in contact with your attacker?

Yes, absolutely

Originally Posted by Tussock

If they are not in contact with you, you have successfully defended yourself. Run away now.

Running away is the #1 self defence technique

Originally Posted by ebf

Yes, absolutely



Running away is the #1 self defence technique

wrong..the number one defence technique is to immobilze your target/attacker before getting the fuck out of there........... Infantry 101!!!

Originally Posted by Neckshot

wrong..the number one defence technique is to immobilze your target/attacker before getting the fuck out of there........... Infantry 101!!!

Id chose a concealed carry 454 Casull and the 240g XPT hornady @ 1800fps

Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

Id chose a concealed carry 454 Casull and the 240g XPT hornady @ 1800fps

Dirty Harry is alive and well

Scoped, with CDS turret

ten feet up .0001moa cli..... but stroke the bastard even after hes leaking red stuff i say.

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Originally Posted by Tussock

The point of all this is that gun control will "save" a few lives. So will no gun control. You could save far more lives by banning fatty sugary foods. Huge numbers of lives by banning alcohol. Restrict vehicle use entirely, make the speed limit 40ks an hour. More lives "saved". Ban sport. People are killed playing sport all the time.

Its all spin and emotive rhetoric. The most dangerous component of all are the people who can not recognize it when they see it. All of humanities worst atrocities were committed by people that swallowed emotive rhetoric. People who were willing to swallow a line have killed, mutilated, tortured and even eaten, more people, in the history of human society than all the mentally ill people combined.

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You, sir, win teh internets!

Thank you for very eloquently hitting the nail on the head.

I'm constantly amazed at how few people recognise when they are being manipulated. Calls to emotion are generally the last tool in the box when you have no actual evidence or logic to fall back on. How would I know? Selling unpopular ideas, or creating a halfway believable rationale for someone elses ideas, is a fairly substantial chunk of what I do for a living.

The day people actually wise up to how often they are manipulated is the day my job gets a lot harder. Fortunately, the chances of that happening is fairly low. Sad, but true.

To those who don't want CCW then you have no fear, as no one is forcing you to carry-it would be up to you entirely to choose to or not (not that I think CCW will come to NZ anytime soon).

What I would like to see is the ability of a home owner to lawfully defend his or her dwelling and those who live within it without the threat of charges being laid for doing so. Not the outside of the property so to speak but within the actual dwelling if the home owner or resident/s feel they are under threat of serious harm or death.
To often those under threat have been charged for using a firearm which has been deemed unreasonably force when the home owner has been in a darkened house and taken by surprise, scared and unable to exactly know the intentions of the intruder.

I doubt that will happen either. I have been in a home invasion and it was shit scary. I had nothing to defend myself with but my hands or locking the bedroom door and letting the intruders take what I had worked hard to own. However a stout kick from one of them would have tumbled my door in easily. Luckily for me turning on the lights and calling out made them leave the house, but many others have not been so lucky.

So if feeling good by being able to defend myself makes me power hungry then im power hungry, but it would make me feel far safer to have that option.

It works! Homeowner Shoots Pedregosa Street Prowler The Santa Barbara Independent

Cheers