Thread: Yet another shooting incident in the states

I remember when I did my comprehensive first aid course, I asked if we could carry quick clot in our kit to stop serious bleeding. The instructor looked at me as if I'd just insulted her mum. I understand it can cause issues like chemical burns, but surely that's trivial when bloods coming out, and you can't get a tourniquet on the wound. Might be a poor analogy, but I reckon even if you are not a professional, it's better to do something than just watch someone die.

I reckon we are best to NOT follow anyone's example and lead by our OWN and do it well!

Originally Posted by Tussock

I'm deliberately switching between being emotive and objective. And I'm deliberately sighting both incorrectly reported statistics (American example) and unquantifiable numbers (Ethiopia).

Guess I'm on my own just having a straight forward conversation then huh, instead of trying to be smart and flip flopping between the moral high ground and the real world ?

Could also be that you're deliberately switching between the sublime and ridiculous...

Still waiting to hear you actually come up with something constructive that would work. Saying stuff like the training we should give to civilians should be "the exact opposite of the police training" doesn't quite cut it.

Here is a little test that will help you decide where this should go.. ?? or not ?? Or make you smile ??
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an obvious drug addict wide eyed and out of his head with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges at you.
You are carrying a Glock cal 40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?
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Democrat's Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor! Or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think? What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me and not the wife or kids?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 111?
Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!
I need to discuss with some friends over a latte and try to come to a consensus.
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Republican's Answer:
BANG!
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Redneck's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click....
(sounds of reloading)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click
Daughter:' Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?'
Son:' You got him, Pop! Can I shoot the next one?'
Wife:' You are not taking that to the taxidermist!



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Found it. Its an old video but it makes the point absolutely clear that most people have no idea how fast a knife wielding loony can be. Even open hand tactics dont look too promising, better be prepared to cut sliced up no matter what happens. Or dont be in that alley with you wife and three kids - that's my tip

LiveLeak.com - Think you could defend yourself against knife attack?

Tim, the stage (thread) is all yours mate - I am stepping away from this, have better things to do with my time than getting into a debate with someone busy channelling Richard Lincoln

Originally Posted by ebf

Guess I'm on my own just having a straight forward conversation then huh, instead of trying to be smart and flip flopping between the moral high ground and the real world ?

Could also be that you're deliberately switching between the sublime and ridiculous...

Still waiting to hear you actually come up with something constructive that would work. Saying stuff like the training we should give to civilians should be "the exact opposite of the police training" doesn't quite cut it.

By straight conversation do you mean taking one side of an argument and not considering the obvious alternatives?

I have faced a knife twice in my life.

First time.

On the piss with a group of mates, going from one pub to the next went into public toilet(renowned shit head hang out) while mates carried on. Come out and some kid with a swiss army knife demanded my wallet.
It went " gimme your wallet". "or what" "or Il cut you up" I pointed at the knife with my left hand and said"what with that" and as he looked down to where I was pointing I smacked him fair in the nose with my right and he fell over backwards dropping the knife which I picked up and said "Now i have your knife what are you going to do?" "you wait here Im going to get my mates" LOL
I said Il be in the Shark bar.

Second time.

In a club at the bar buying drinks a guy around my age lunges at me with a knife, I have no Idea why.
Maybe I was about to "score" with a chick he thought was his, maybe I just look like a wanker that needs stabbing I dont know.
End result of that was I saw it comming and dodged and used his momentum to slam his face into the bar.
We were both escorted out of the bar obviously and on the street he didnt want a bar of me.

I was legally pissed in both instances, the first the attacker was sober as far as I can tell.
The second was probably more pissed than me.

Even when pissed I am situationally "aware"

First situation I probably could have just bolted instead of teaching a young dickhead to respect his elders.

Second situation I was very lucky not to have been stabbed or cut which I put down to being aware of my surroundings and a pistol would have been no use whatsoever.


Both situations I wouldn't be able to carry a firearm, first I could have easily shot him but in that situation if I had one I wouldn't have drawn.



I dont have a problem with CCW but it would have been no use in both those experiences.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I have faced a knife twice in my life.

First time.

On the piss with a group of mates, going from one pub to the next went into public toilet(renowned shit head hang out) while mates carried on. Come out and some kid with a swiss army knife demanded my wallet.
It went " gimme your wallet". "or what" "or Il cut you up" I pointed at the knife with my left hand and said"what with that" and as he looked down to where I was pointing I smacked him fair in the nose with my right and he fell over backwards dropping the knife which I picked up and said "Now i have your knife what are you going to do?" "you wait here Im going to get my mates" LOL
I said Il be in the Shark bar.

Second time.

In a club at the bar buying drinks a guy around my age lunges at me with a knife, I have no Idea why.
Maybe I was about to "score" with a chick he thought was his, maybe I just look like a wanker that needs stabbing I dont know.
End result of that was I saw it comming and dodged and used his momentum to slam his face into the bar.
We were both escorted out of the bar obviously and on the street he didnt want a bar of me.

I was legally pissed in both instances, the first the attacker was sober as far as I can tell.
The second was probably more pissed than me.

Even when pissed I am situationally "aware"

First situation I probably could have just bolted instead of teaching a young dickhead to respect his elders.

Second situation I was very lucky not to have been stabbed or cut which I put down to being aware of my surroundings and a pistol would have been no use whatsoever.


Both situations I wouldn't be able to carry a firearm, first I could have easily shot him but in that situation if I had one I wouldn't have drawn.



I dont have a problem with CCW but it would have been no use in both those experiences.

VC that young fellah in the first incident will talk about you for the rest of his life. Wasn't fair bro, that big bastard tricked me eh?

Originally Posted by Tussock

Kids are horrid little things are they not.

I probably was by anyones definition

Originally Posted by Tussock

I got stabbed in the hip once. It hurt. In home ec class. Im not kidding either. A kid just walked up to me and stuck a steak knife in my hip. Kids are horrid little things are they not.

I stabbed myself in the thigh just above the knee to the bone when I was around eight, after a real long day with the old man his mate and his son, Getting close to the hut us youngsters got a second wind and were running ahead and slashing at anything hanging over the track. Nec minit.

Originally Posted by Rushy

VC that young fellah in the first incident will talk about you for the rest of his life. Wasn't fair bro, that big bastard tricked me eh?

The pessimist in me would say he probably learnt to stab first ask later.

Im not a big barstard either.

Originally Posted by Tussock

I got stabbed in the hip once. It hurt. In home ec class. Im not kidding either. A kid just walked up to me and stuck a steak knife in my hip. Kids are horrid little things are they not.

Thats coz you were the only male in her class ya juicy fruit WTF is a male doing in Home ec?

Is that where the hair went?

Originally Posted by Tussock

It was compulsory! Cooking I was hopeless, but sewing I approached like just another building exercise. I can sew pretty well. Fix all my own gear on rainy days in huts.

I have actually made a girl a dress before. Picture a red stretchy material, a slit that came up to the top of the hip bone over a long brown leg, and the rest of it, a flea would not have been able to move around under (12 E, bless her). It was for a fancy dress ball and she could not find a red dress to go as the devil (cheap, we were students). She thought she was getting a plain one but she underestimated my talent

I could whip you one up for your next date with the Gimp R93, use a fabric that doesnt catch the leg hairs. Gimps got pretty hairy legs.

Na! As pretty as gimp is, I just cant be with someone that owns a .243

Besides, he would kick the snot out of me if I was a lousy date