Thread: 20/12

I use the 20g for everything so I can't really comment due to bias my twelves over the last three season would have had a packet of ammo through them. And that's between three 12g guns

I found black cloud, cuts up the meat much worse that normal steel, but it does kill well,

yea they,ve got some murderous name for the shape of thier shot i have noticed it in thier lead loads to its a butcherer of meat.
not to mention quite stout recoil in a supposed 2 3/4 inch one ounce load.

I don't really agree, the only way you can check a shoot string, is with high speed camera equipment, ]

true its hARDLY SCIENTIFIC BUT IS VISUALLY QUITE SURPRISING even more so is the difference between strings from 12g lead to steel.
which generally seem to shoot higher
im dying to see if its the same for 20 gauge steel not
i could be wrong but the different stringing and shooting higher in 12.s especially is i reckon the reason its hard to kill wingers with steel.
im my experience you have to aim at the water line with steel where as with lead you could nut them with a point of aim shot.
but as said nothings more important than choke selection and patterning with steel with stark variations often from load to load.

Some times I think, in hunting/fishing, we tend to over think, the technical things a bit, esp when inside, and thinking about the next trip/mission.

some would say we clutch for straws to rationolise our poor shooting.
or to make sence of the unsencible ability to kill cleanly and make every shot one day but be crap the next.
but i couldnt possibly comment

Originally Posted by Pointer

I use the 20g for everything so I can't really comment due to bias my twelves over the last three season would have had a packet of ammo through them. And that's between three 12g guns

Alas pointer, we can only shoot one gun at a time.

One of life's cruel truths

Wouldn't be without my benelli for ducks and geese, but my little 20g is priceless.
I still have a Brno single trigger SXS on my wish list, but have been tempted by those cheap 28g SXS at h&f.

Hear what saying kawhia ive been looken at the akkar 28g with the english stock i dont know if i can get my head around the fact that it weights the same as my 20g yildiz although its lighter than all my other 20,s i dont think they that cheap either i dont need another shottie ............but you know ive been impressed with my 28g akkar semi just the wood work could have been a bit better finished off but a good light reliable shottie all the same,those brno sidelocks are a steal if you get a minter a bit heavy but well made ill get one one day

My thought too on the akkar 28g sxs. Under a grand I'd probably give one a whirl but as it is they are a lot of money for what they are. Also the one I played with in hnf wasn't a true straight stock, it flared downwards towards the toe and didn't feel right to me

although this has morphed off topic, i might add that weatherby(turkish) make a superb 28ga semi-auto. available via brian thompson via T/M.wood version retails for about $1200. the 28 ga is the darling of the american uplanders at the moment. i have an u/o in this gauge,(i indulged,rizzini round body),i tried it on quail with mixed results.when shooting pukeko it was deadly, and in one outing i dropped two cock pheasants for two shots about 25-30 metres out.ammo is not bad thru mai mai supplies.

I know we are definitely off topic now, but what did you think of the round body?

i am probably the wrong person to ask. i saw this gun when the first shipment arrived.i walked along and saw them all.i fell in love with the wood on a 20ga. english straight stock.i handled all the guns and the one that felt right was the round body 28ga.i loved it.but i knew myself well enough,to go home and sleep on it,not to make a rash decision.so i decided to go with the 20ga.,because the wood was to die for,and it was a very versatile gauge and i did nearly all my shooting with 20ga. a month or two later that 28ga. was still in the rack and i still wanted it.a mate offered to buy my beretta 20ga.(yes i have too many) so with the cash and a bit of loose stuff i had lying around i went back and got the 28 ga. it is a delight to carry.my hand goes right around the action.it has 29 and half inch barrels so that it swings with a little carry.it feels delicate and precise.it is not a heavy cover weapon,great for pigeons.the round body i love,and manufacturers are increasingly turning out this style of action.

So Akkar or Yildiz
in 20g double gun
What does the panel think?

I shoot with a 20g Yildiz and it's a dream to use.Light,fast and if I point it right birds die.Love it and won't use anything else now.

I like the finish of the Akkar, Yildiz has better wood but that plastic safety makes it look cheap.....more so
I like them sub gauge Fausti sxs but they cost a bit more lol......having a play with some high end guns this weekend.

If it was to be 20g under over I'd say have a peek at the Webley and Scott, the stock dimensions aren't so 'Turkish ' in fact very similar to my Miroku mk10 sporter. If its to be a sxs I'd say Yildiz. The Y bangers have a good track record here, If you can live with the plastic safety and laser engraving. I've had a gunsmith say akkar put their money in to external finish as there sure isn't any on the inside!

out of the two i would go for the yildiz they have a good rep here and overseas im not fussed on the engraving either but they are nice and light to carry allday chasing upland game i have one and its not given me any problems todate its the old story you get what you pay for ps my safety isnt plastic have i been ripped in getting a metal one