Thread: Expected spread for a full choked 12 gauge @ 30 meters?

There is no rear sight on this, are rear sights common on shotguns? My SxS only has a bead at the front.
I hear a bit from some who say to shoot with both eyes open with a shotgun, ive tried doing that and it looks cross-eyed to me

The stocks are not adjustable on these, but you can probably get aftermarket adjustable stocks.
I did add a limbsaver recoil pad to it which has extended the stock by 20mm.
Not sure if that would affect anything .

Nope. Nearly all normal non tacti-cool shorties have a rear sight.
Maybe a a second bead halfway down the barrel but that's it.
Yes both eyes open but you may be like me.
Right handed but dominant left eye.
Basically looking down side of barrel

Originally Posted by csmiffy

Nope. Nearly all normal non tacti-cool shorties have a rear sight.
Maybe a a second bead halfway down the barrel but that's it.
Yes both eyes open but you may be like me.
Right handed but dominant left eye.
Basically looking down side of barrel

That's interesting you say that.
I've just taken a look at both barrels, the old skeet barrel has a threaded holenon the rail where a sight presumably was screwed into, not too sure why it was removed, and the full choked field barrel has the remains of the sight in the thread and appears to have been snapped off.
I probably need more target practice as really only have had experience with rifles, but a while ago when I first had a go at clay targets with a friend, I was hitting them second nature and wasnt even trying.
Have no idea what choke my mates gun had, but it felt too easy at the time.
Got to figure out how to remove this broken sight out of the rail in the meantime and look for a replacement sight.

Not a rear sight at all...I'm suggesting just "something" a blob of chewing gum will do to start with to raise your eye and tip shotgun slightly upwards,lifting pattern. You've added limbsaver is good, but making longer CAN cause you to shoot low until you learn basics. Seriously once you know what's supposed to happen it's easy with plurry near any set up. At present...and this isn't your first lot of shotgun questions...your doing something along the lines of mismatched scop based n rings and scope is ducktaped in place while trying to shoot at mice at 200 yards using ammunition your grandpa condemned as too old to use.

As for your mates gun... Yip it fitted you better. No big deal.bonus is you know you can shoot ok...just need to sort your shit. One smelly lump at a time.

Lol, that might actually work for the time being.
I'm sure I cam come up with a makeshift sight.
I'm starting to think that the limbsaver might be causing half the problems now.
What i recently discovered is that the models with a factory recoil pad have a shorter stock to compensate for the thickness of the pad and my one doesn't fit on there properly.
If I can find a spare stock that I can swap over might sort it out.

further to mickey ducks suggestion you can find a bit of foam rubber ,yoga mat ,sleeping mat or similar cut a piece to size and fold in half then tape it to the butt.see what impact that has on your aim.

Originally Posted by kotuku

further to mickey ducks suggestion you can find a bit of foam rubber ,yoga mat ,sleeping mat or similar cut a piece to size and fold in half then tape it to the butt.see what impact that has on your aim.

Yeah I was actually thinking of removing the recoil pad and try it without and see if there is any difference.
It doesn't even fit properly on the stock which is probably part of the problem, I now realize the reason was because it's designed for stocks that had a recoil pad from factory and were shorter to begin with.

no you have misread what i meant .tape it to the top of the butt -in effect a temporary cheekpiece and see if it assists in you beiing able to see /use the rib correctly as was mentioned earlier.buggerising round with the recoil pad IMO does 6 7/8 of sfa at this point. however it does remind me -my shooting mate had problems with the stock on his baretta s/a and asked me about it .he source a piece of 3/8-1/2 "perspex block which we carefully cut and trimmed to fit the stock then added the original recoil pad .voila problem solved .

Originally Posted by kotuku

no you have misread what i meant .tape it to the top of the butt -in effect a temporary cheekpiece and see if it assists in you beiing able to see /use the rib correctly as was mentioned earlier.buggerising round with the recoil pad IMO does 6 7/8 of sfa at this point. however it does remind me -my shooting mate had problems with the stock on his baretta s/a and asked me about it .he source a piece of 3/8-1/2 "perspex block which we carefully cut and trimmed to fit the stock then added the original recoil pad .voila problem solved .

OK, gotya, will play around with things when i get a chance.
I thought the length of pull may have affected things, but the pad still looks like it could cause issues. I will have to post a photo so you have an idea.

Too long = maybe makes you shoot low. Head down too low does same thing. Your looking to use shotgun,like a rifle to shoot stationary object ....so this length and fit thing doesn't matter a flying fook. Poor the plurry thing in the right direction.keep eye,eyes open and pull trigger while keeping bead on target.END of ISSUE. Stop looking for problems to compensate for not pointing gun in right direction. Find out where it patterns and point it accordingly. Full stop.end of issue.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Point the plurry thing in the right direction.keep eye,eyes open and pull trigger while keeping bead on target.END of ISSUE. Find out where it patterns and point it accordingly. Full stop.end of issue.

I have summarised Mr ducks quacking. Without patterning you will go in ever decreasing circles till you disappear. Only when you know where can you look at changing things like lop, height of cheek riser, sights etc

if youre shooting clays ,mount your gun "pull" now in a single movement swing the gun through the clays path -barrel will blot clay out at some point -keep going and touch trigger-ya should see an extremely satisfying sight of a lot of clay shrapnel. if you miss dont beat yaself up -just keep chipping away till you start stringing hits together.practise is probably the most important factor -it gets you plus gun to function as a single unit .

ducks geese etc .look out of the maimai pick a certain point within 20-30meters out -do this a few times -anything venturing inside those points is a target -this is usually the most effective range to land a decent dose of steel on the bird to drop it consistently .again weather etc will impact you but persist under all sorts of conditions and slowly but surely itll fall into place .I still miss a lot but Im of the "Take only what you can use school" so it suits me .not to say there haven t been days on feral geese where i cant seem to miss ,but ag ain thats just part of the whole scenario.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

I have summarised Mr ducks quacking. Without patterning you will go in ever decreasing circles till you disappear. Only when you know where can you look at changing things like lop, height of cheek riser, sights etc

Yes I think it's best to start off with sights first and pattern a few times, then try adjusting the stock.
Don't know what I should do permanently should any mods make any improvements.
Here is how the recoil pad sits currently, I still want to change this regardless as it's not right.

Originally Posted by kotuku

if youre shooting clays ,mount your gun "pull" now in a single movement swing the gun through the clays path -barrel will blot clay out at some point -keep going and touch trigger-ya should see an extremely satisfying sight of a lot of clay shrapnel. if you miss dont beat yaself up -just keep chipping away till you start stringing hits together.practise is probably the most important factor -it gets you plus gun to function as a single unit .

ducks geese etc .look out of the maimai pick a certain point within 20-30meters out -do this a few times -anything venturing inside those points is a target -this is usually the most effective range to land a decent dose of steel on the bird to drop it consistently .again weather etc will impact you but persist under all sorts of conditions and slowly but surely itll fall into place .I still miss a lot but Im of the "Take only what you can use school" so it suits me .not to say there haven t been days on feral geese where i cant seem to miss ,but ag ain thats just part of the whole scenario.

I do intend to shoot clays with this and will probably be my main use for this gun as it's pretty heavy to carry around compared to my SxS for field use.
Would be good to try it out this duck season too but is not chambered for the longer 3 inch shells.
I wasn't doing too well with clays when I first tried it out, i only had a cylinder choke barrel for it at the time and the clays were only breaking into 2 or 3 pieces at best.
I've got a contact who is in a clay target club but is out of town, will need to hit him up and see if I can pattern it at their club sometime.

The pads a couple of mm high but looks to fit the stock correctly, just put on slightly off. I doubt it's the problem though