Thread: got wasted by young blood

Originally Posted by R93

My post was directed at other comments related to using beads.

My shottie should have come with "beads", fucken prayer beads.

Cause at the moment only the almighty his-self could smite anything with it

That's it in a nutshell!!
That's why I get pissed at steel shot advocates saying you need to become a better hunter decoying your birds for close shots to ensure kills. To justify using steel. Bullshit! They can't shoot for shit in the first place and by only shooting sitters they think they have seen an improvement.
They wouldn't hit shit at a nationals or zone shoot. Lol


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Steel shot is 200fps quicker than the equivilent lead version. That has been my findings with the handful of rounds i tested.

Originally Posted by mikee

Cause at the moment only the almighty his-self could smite anything with it

Ha ha ha ha. Careful Mikee, that is bordering on the religious. We will have none of that on this forum thank you.

Originally Posted by R93

They wouldn't hit shit at a nationals or zone shoot.

Now that would be a fun afternoon R93. Boys on a hill with shotty' sand a clay thrower. Biffing cow patties into the distance and blasting them.

Originally Posted by Towely

Steel shot is 200fps quicker than the equivilent lead version. That has been my findings with the handful of rounds i tested.

Has nothing to do with anything because steel is doing roughly the same speed as lead by the time it gets to shoot able ranges.
MV differences between steel and lead accounts for fuck all with a shotgun and moving target.
It is a good selling gimmick tho.
I do not change anything in the way I address any target when using either. I still pull the trigger when it looks right and targets break or birds fold if I have my shit together.



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I don't mind steel as such like they say get close but getting close takes a lot of fun out of it. I'd shoot over paddocks with lead over a river using steel any day

Originally Posted by Toby

I don't mind steel as such like they say get close but getting close takes a lot of fun out of it. I'd shoot over paddocks with lead over a river using steel any day

Steel is fine for shooting over decoys but as you say it takes the fun out of it. For me at least anyway.



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Originally Posted by R93

Has nothing to do with anything because steel is doing roughly the same speed as lead by the time it gets to shoot able ranges.

How did you come to that conclusion. Or is it just because if you say its true then it must be
And if steel is slowing up considerably to match lead at "shootable? Ranges" then it would imply that its not hitting as hard as lead would be anyway and is the reason why so many people hate the stuff to begin with.
But then your argument would back up the anti steel brigade even though thats not your intention. Bizzare.

Breaking clays and stopping game birds are different things.

FFS! Do some solid research then come back. Take it or leave it I don't care.
I am only trying to help dispel some myths.
You are also sorely mistaken if you think there is a difference in shooting a clay target to any winged game.
Please explain that one to me.
Yet another myth!

For those that know me, know I shoot slightly above average at national level but they like you, can choose to ignore anything I say, I don't have any major dramas hitting targets or game.

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when i started shooting steel and kept missing sitters i sat on a hill and pondered what i was doing. The gun was new, steel was new to me.

About 60m away was a large concrete trough. I was carrying lead and steel as i was shooting parries in the field with lead then into the wet land with steel.
I loaded a steel round, aimed at the middle of the front trough from a slightly elevated position and fired. There were a few spats on the water at the back of the trough but most missed.
I loaded a lead round, aimed at the middle of the front trough from a slightly elevated position and fired. The centre of the spread hit exactly where i aimed and the front half of the water splashed.

Personally, i think my shotgun aims higher than it should due to the sight rail being higher at the trigger end.
It also showed that steel flies significantly higher which i guess is due to the weight of the pellets but what ever the reason, it does.

Hitting breakable targets and stopping living things are different. Any fool can see that.
The complaints that i see and hear with hunters and steel is that the bird takes the hit and after a stutter keeps going. It happens with lead as well obviously and ultimately will be bad shot placement, but i find it interesting that i have never heard bad things about lead shot from anyone while alot of hunters started complaining when steel was bought in. Why? Something must have changed for all these people to start getting iffy about a particular type of shot, literally overnight as it happened.

Could it be that 200fps difference at the muzzle is enough to make the shooter have to adjust their lead to allow the pattern density to hit where they want it? Not doing so would result in more wounding and less clean kills? Just a thought and my take on it.

R93s suggestion.
Lets use 30mtrs as an example. If steel is exiting the muzzle 200fps quicker than lead but at 30 meters is now the same speed as lead is at the same range, one would assume steel is shedding alot of energy very quickly and probably has a larger pellet grouping at the same range. Not ideal for trying to make a clean kill. But it wouldnt really matter for trying to break something... thats made to be breakable?

Originally Posted by R93

For those that know me, know I shoot slightly above average at national level

My dicks big too r93!

There are people that break clay targets and there are people that smash them into very little pieces . Clay targets teach you quickly if you are centering your your pattern or getting lucky fringe hits . As your experience increases you learn not to be happy with a chippy break . You happily take it as a 1 on the score card , but you know you we're lucky not skilful . Those smoked targets are a dead duck every time , those clays that just crack in half are your ducks that wobble but keep flying . Clays teach you to land the maximum number of pellets on your target If you honestly think shooting clays and the volume of shooting that you can do in a short period of time at a target that you can repeat numerus times to get right and master doesn't help your game shooting , then I guess we agree to disagree .

Ken

I am glad your dick is big mate coz your to dumb to comprehend what I have been saying or just being difficult for the sake of it.

I doubt you could but try and work out the lead difference required using 200fps for an 90km crossing target using lead at 1200 and steel at 1400 target crossing at 40 m. This all assuming that the reduction in velocity between lead and steel is exponential which it is not.

See ya in a week or 2 after you come to the conclusion that there is no applied difference between the 2 in order to hit a target which is what I have been saying.
I am talking about hitting targets as you know not killing them which is another issue.
However they should go hand in hand if your doing things right.
As pointed out in the above post.
Look up some genuine velocities of a given lead load and a steel load of the same shot size at 30 m with them starting out at 200 fps different.


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