the thing with training is there are different methods that suit different people and some work better than others for different people and dogs -dogs certainly have their own personalities as do humans .To out rightly knock using Ecollars as a solid training advice would be very ignorant I believe as do thousands of trainers that have had success.Obviously different arguments can proceed from here for example -if your dog doesn't have the Ecollar on then will he not obey - probably will and maybe not as much as if he did depending on excitement factor of his surroundings .
I would prefer the no Ecollar method but don't have 24/7 to train a dog to the level I want .If you train without one will your dog be better than one trian with a collar ---64000$ question and unless you can put up in a hunting or trial format to show that winning training it all just semantics.
Now in saying all of this I would not be adverse to listening to Ruff about his methods as it is what he does day in day out and not to "consider" his opinion would also be folly
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