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Ruff, can you give me an example of how you would react or show your dog that it is doing something bad (or not desired) ? Is it "No!" in a particular tone of voice, do you make eye contact, do you move up to dominate its space ? What I am interested in is how YOU personally show a dog you are training that what it just did was not good ?

Ruff you are right as always. I am happy with what we do, they come when called or beeped. Dogs have never been wacked, walloped or zapped and I can live with that Never tried the zapping and don't plan to.
Seem happy enough to me, curled up here. We cant all be as good as you eh. Not all of us do it for a living

Originally Posted by ebf

Ruff, can you give me an example of how you would react or show your dog that it is doing something bad (or not desired) ? Is it "No!" in a particular tone of voice, do you make eye contact, do you move up to dominate its space ? What I am interested in is how YOU personally show a dog you are training that what it just did was not good ?

No, not really, you could do any of those things. if the dog respects your position.... in the real dog world, leaders don't do anything physical, their position is accepted and conformity happens with a look. so many people get a dog and set about insisting it understand human behavior... imagine how quick the process would transform if people were less arrogant and changed their behavior to something the dog could understand????

Originally Posted by mikee

Ruff you are right as always. I am happy with what we do, they come when called or beeped. Dogs have never been wacked, walloped or zapped and I can live with that Never tried the zapping and don't plan to.
Seem happy enough to me, curled up here. We cant all be as good as you eh. Not all of us do it for a living

If the dog has never been zapped why does it respond to the beep, lets not piss on each others shoes and tell each other it's raining....

Don;t expect anyone to be at a professional level, but I do expect people to give enough of a shit about their dog to learn some things about it rather than the shortcuts that makes your life easier... Reckon a good dog deserves more, but even more importantly, will give you more, when you have real lines of communication with it, rather than just, "do as I say or here is the warning beep to tell you I'll hurnt you in a heartbeat"... but hell, if it works for you...

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The truth is the truth!

Originally Posted by Ruff

No, not really, you could do any of those things. if the dog respects your position.... in the real dog world, leaders don't do anything physical, their position is accepted and conformity happens with a look. so many people get a dog and set about insisting it understand human behavior... imagine how quick the process would transform if people were less arrogant and changed their behavior to something the dog could understand????

ok, so in the "real" dog world, if a dog does not accept the leader or does not show the required level of respect, are you saying the "alpha" dog for want of a better term just looks at the guilty party ? to me it seems like there is more of a threat of implied or actual violence.

i have spent a bit of time watching lots of different "pack" animals (baboons, wild dogs, lions etc). usually any sign of disrespect or stepping out of line is dealt with pretty harshly, yes ?

guess it all boils down to establishing who is top dog, in a pack a lot of that is learned behavior, but raising a single dog in a suburban setting where they are not getting that constant feedback from other dogs makes it a different kettle of fish...

Originally Posted by ebf

i have spent a bit of time watching lots of different "pack" animals (baboons, wild dogs, lions etc). usually any sign of disrespect or stepping out of line is dealt with pretty harshly, yes ?

No!

I really happy with my mother in law!!!

Originally Posted by Maca49

I really happy with my mother in law!!!

Is she a dog????

Originally Posted by ebf

ok, so in the "real" dog world, if a dog does not accept the leader or does not show the required level of respect, are you saying the "alpha" dog for want of a better term just looks at the guilty party ? to me it seems like there is more of a threat of implied or actual violence.

i have spent a bit of time watching lots of different "pack" animals (baboons, wild dogs, lions etc). usually any sign of disrespect or stepping out of line is dealt with pretty harshly, yes ?

guess it all boils down to establishing who is top dog, in a pack a lot of that is learned behavior, but raising a single dog in a suburban setting where they are not getting that constant feedback from other dogs makes it a different kettle of fish...

How you establish the heirachyb will depend on if you are dealing with an eight week old pup oir a seven year old entire dog... you want a whole book here in the forum..??? How simple do you think this shit is? Are people just pulling my leg>????

Originally Posted by Maca49

I really happy with my mother in law!!!

Get her a collar

Originally Posted by Dundee

Get her a collar

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Originally Posted by ebf

ok, so in the "real" dog world, if a dog does not accept the leader or does not show the required level of respect, are you saying the "alpha" dog for want of a better term just looks at the guilty party ? to me it seems like there is more of a threat of implied or actual violence.

i have spent a bit of time watching lots of different "pack" animals (baboons, wild dogs, lions etc). usually any sign of disrespect or stepping out of line is dealt with pretty harshly, yes ?

guess it all boils down to establishing who is top dog, in a pack a lot of that is learned behavior, but raising a single dog in a suburban setting where they are not getting that constant feedback from other dogs makes it a different kettle of fish...

If the dog does not accept you as the leader it is not the dog you need to work with. You need to learn YOUR job better.

I use an ecollar and think they're a great tool for a dog that wont answer a command -my dog is well trained but wont always answer lke a robot so get a vibration o a low level zap.