Thread: importing Frozen Semen i

fair to say it still is a boat load of money which ever way you go lol.
you need to work with a few like minded hunters to lessen the cost, but before you start smashing the piggy bank i would ask myself why the population of these breeds are in such a poor state as any investment would need to be sustained into the next few generations.

i would be gathering numbers on what dogs are actually still alive as i know there is still some frozen semen kicking round.

Originally Posted by Munsey

Kawhia does it make a differance how old the semen is , my bitch was out of imported frozen semen, sire had been pushing up daisys for years. She was 1 of only 3. Pretty sure cost all of 5 k all up

i think the last litter of setters whelped was with 15 year old frozen, also for 3 pups and one of those was exported back to the uk.
if it was collected and stored right and the quality/numbers of the swimmers was good then it should keep for decades.

Originally Posted by kawhia

i think the last litter of setters whelped was with 15 year old frozen, also for 3 pups and one of those was exported back to the uk.if it was collected and stored right and the quality/numbers of the swimmers was good then it should keep for decades.

I'm pretty sure my bitch came from 20 yr old frozen , didn't want to say as It did sound old to me.

any dog older than 9-10 onwards looses tad pole strength I believe -still can but less chance of a pregnancy .I spoke to Takanini vet services today and they have a system that is 95% surety once AI is performed

Originally Posted by el borracho

any dog older than 9-10 onwards looses tad pole strength I believe -still can but less chance of a pregnancy .I spoke to Takanini vet services today and they have a system that is 95% surety once AI is performed

They are primarily thoroughbred horse vets so the system could be a bit suss on a dog (rubder glove up to the elbow inside).

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the only way you can tell how good the dogs swimmers are is by getting him collected, don't be surprised if that old dog has the numbersand strength of a young dog, even if the numbers are low it is still ok to freeze it , millions of tadpoles only need to service a limited number of eggs.

depending on the procedure most repo vets can quote percentages, and most have a fixed price list for it as well, it is fucken expensive compared to over seas........... pretty sure takanini use the camelot method which means they surgically implant the pellets, adds more money to the overall cost but has a high percentage of pups compared to other methods.

yes it is that method!

a quick fix, is to cast your net westward and import a dog from aussie, they have both working setters and pointers, at a pinch i would say you would not have to look to far back before you found a kiwi connection in the pedigree's.

to buy and ship over would put you in the ball park around 3k, get a few of leons old dogs put on ice and you are sorted for the next 20 years.

Originally Posted by kawhia

fair to say it still is a boat load of money which ever way you go lol.you need to work with a few like minded hunters to lessen the cost, but before you start smashing the piggy bank i would ask myself why the population of these breeds are in such a poor state as any investment would need to be sustained into the next few generations.i would be gathering numbers on what dogs are actually still alive as i know there is still some frozen semen kicking round.

What do you think of the DDs ( won't even attempt to spell ) system ?. Have had a yarn to a couple of the people involved , seems like a good way to stay connected with hunting lines for the future .? Whats your thoughts people's ?

I say well done, all power to them...you just need a group of like minded souls and you can shift mountains (metaphoric ones included)...yes, and they will get squashed and pinched by those who perhaps are a little fearful, but well done...

Originally Posted by kawhia

...to buy and ship over would put you in the ball park around 3k, get a few of leons old dogs put on ice and you are sorted for the next 20 years.

This, in a nutshell, is the best way forward for you in my opinion El B. Mortensons' dogs are of a known value, tried an tested in NZ as opposed to bringing in a foreign dog of unknown use to NZ conditions. Considering what you have in your kennel now, why aren't you looking towards Scandinavia? An Italian Grande Quete setter would be as much use here in NZ as an American All Age pointer, as RCGSP mentioned in another thread it's horses for courses, be careful.
Semen from a top producing and top performing dog might be preferable to an untested pup, but the pup will work out cheaper in the long run if you decide to use it in a breeding program - the dollars good, you need to do it now.

Ive been wanting to breed my own dog but no luck finding a bitch - I may have to buy one myself here

Get a bitch out of the litter Murray has been talking about - its breeding ties in with your dog nicely. Then go through the NZKC site and approach every owner of a later wingfield dog and see whats alive. Collect tadpoles and make friends with the 'blackfield' crowd, N. Allen, and I. Hendren and Voilà - enough breeding material for the foundation of a focused and dedicated kennel for the next couple of decades

interesting as its something i often think about my self, but the price tag........... that's gotta hurt