Thread: Pointer and Setter Trials

Stunning places to be seen and explored, El B...best coffee is at Winton!!!

Went down last season for the spaniel trials and took a wire,just in case.
The place is no different to the north island in the fact you have to find the birds, however there are a lot of good pockets of them, lots of ground game and I saw a shit load of pheasants in places, even had a bit of a run on a preserve.
I think live game trials can easily be held, however the rabbits make if far better suited to versatiles.
The duck shooting is like going back in time to when the north held decent numbers.... And yep back again this year.

Where in the general vicinity did you locate your self there Kawhia ?

I do remember you running down the versatile system aswell, something along the lines of the dogs not being tested against other dogs

As I said , I never said the test were not worth it just without a comp I thought they mean less in my opinion ! I should clarify that though! To test and not run against the other dogs to compare what youve tested in a competitive feild seems less impressive to me !Not to say that the dog wont perform perfectly well against other but we will never know will we
Ditch diggers look like ditch diggers for what they wear ... where yours gripe with that ? does it bump your ego -harden up.The way you write things is like media spin bent and twisted

Petros ,what is it you like about what GQ said exactly ??

Originally Posted by el borracho

As I said , I never said the test were not worth it just without a comp I thought they mean less in my opinion ! I should clarify that though! To test and not run against the other dogs to compare what youve tested in a competitive feild seems less impressive to me !Not to say that the dog wont perform perfectly well against other but we will never know will we
Ditch diggers look like ditch diggers for what they wear ... where yours gripe with that ? does it bump your ego -harden up.The way you write things is like media spin bent and twisted

The objective of Testing is completely different to Trialing. Just because you don't understand the difference or the objective of Testing, doesnt make it (Testing) or the results from it of lesser value.

your past comments are coming back to bite you brian...... you never got the idea on versatile testing then so I would avoid revisiting it.

Originally Posted by el borracho

As I said , I never said the test were not worth it just without a comp I thought they mean less in my opinion ! I should clarify that though! To test and not run against the other dogs to compare what youve tested in a competitive feild seems less impressive to me !Not to say that the dog wont perform perfectly well against other but we will never know will we
Ditch diggers look like ditch diggers for what they wear ... where yours gripe with that ? does it bump your ego -harden up.The way you write things is like media spin bent and twisted

Petros ,what is it you like about what GQ said exactly ??

Fucking hell man, keep me out of this....
FFS... I'll unlike...

lets be clear about this !!! I have always been pro testing -always !!!I do understand it and have always agreed with it just dont think it goes far enough to pit the tested dogs against each other in a competitive feild that shows strengths and weaknesses on the day .Yes Kawhia they are useless points not worth revisiting agreed !!! GQ dont bring them up again please as they serve no purpose other than to cause contention .HAHAH Mind you I do enjoy a little debate now and then lol

if you did understand it you wouldn't then put your own opinion in the same paragraph as you still included the wining element.

I disagree with you on this Kawhia but thats just my opinion .To do a test to see if the dogs does understand is great ! to put him and handler under pressure against others is another story in itself .In saying that only one can ever win but you soon start to get a clear idea how things are coming along -good -bad or ugly . I am a competitor and believe in competition as a positive , is there a reason I dont understand you see compition as not needed ?Even when I ran a GSP years ago we competed trailing -retrieving -pointing live birds .At that stage the testing programes were being talked about and we eventually had the Late Claus ... from Germany come over to cast his opinion .Hats of to the tests I just think you could go further

Originally Posted by el borracho

I disagree with you on this Kawhia but thats just my opinion .To do a test to see if the dogs does understand is great ! to put him and handler under pressure against others is another story in itself .In saying that only one can ever win but you soon start to get a clear idea how things are coming along -good -bad or ugly . I am a competitor and believe in competition as a positive , is there a reason I dont understand you see compition as not needed ?Even when I ran a GSP years ago we competed trailing -retrieving -pointing live birds .At that stage the testing programes were being talked about and we eventually had the Late Claus ... from Germany come over to cast his opinion .Hats of to the tests I just think you could go further

is that the guy they bought out and had him go judge a dog show ? it's talked about even today.
they do go a lot further after testing...... that silly thing called hunting.

It doesn't matter how many times you claim to understand the purpose of Testing, or how much you claim to support it, your own comments / opinion on the subject show for all that you clearly do not understand it. I really can't say it any clearer than that.

I say this smiling GQ --Yes its very hard to understand -possibly a university degree

One other point I would use to promote the competition is for breeding .The dogs that are mostly likely to be imported and also bred to are the ones that have a consistent family history of winning .I think that is a fair and reasonable reason to breed providing the dog has no physical faults .