Thread: Pointer and Setter Trials

seems you found a ground that on page 45 you said couldn't be found brian in regards to a HPR trial.

Originally Posted by kawhia

seems you found a ground that on page 45 you said couldn't be found brian in regards to a HPR trial.

Yes , this would be one of the few areas that could offer that opportunity !! I may bring that up at the AGM . In saying that our trials are in the off season so we cannot shoot and we share this ground with other people that would not be impressed with clubs turning up clearing the grounds midweek for them to hunt crumbs -the reality of NZ sadly to few opportunities .

Better the HPR join the pointer setter club and come bird dogging with us I reckon Kawhia

i can think of plenty of ground suitable including the fringe ground ground boardering the preserves.
on any normal spaniel live game trial bird numbers shot is less than half a dozen and thats with a full card of entries, ground game is as good as a gamebird by the way...

it's a shame the p/s format has not taken a leaf from the americans and adopted the johnny house and bobwhite trials....... shootable populations of birds can be established on virgin ground within a matter of weeks and legally shot after 30 days........ they would be like candy to the pointers and setters.

I LKE THAT IDEA with the johnny pens Kawhia and ones I will talk about at the AGM ..Pheasant when breed for an area can tend to move more so than quail that have call back pens -quail are wicked to hunt to !!

In time other options can be looked at im sure but for now its about bedding down securely what we have in the format we have it... I dont know that HPR guys wear tweed either ..a definite eliminating fault

Good on you El B for offering some of your personal shooting grounds for the trials, that's more than most would do. Well done

Cheers Pointer -I have found in life being able to share has great personal rewards - there is nothing better than seeing people who are heartly stuffed full of satisfaction and happiness by something you have contributed to .

Have you seen this one El B?

Cacciando.. con il setter inglese in montagna HD, hunting with english setters - YouTube

a lovely video !! what fantastic country

Please excuse masst the mustard spelling errors but cut and pasting from my iPad and haven't done a perfect spell check.
A short brief on the last two trials over the last two days .

The John Gaskin memorial Trial took place this Friday in the Taupo district on an area of land I had not been to called the 90s .An area dominated by Eucalyptus tree,s and low undulating hills covered in longish grass .
A Bird pen had been resurrected here last year and a population of pheasant had been left to wander the property for us to "find" if we could .
The first brace was two red dogs with Dale and Roche and Robyn and her dog Tonto. Roche a quick bitch had a flying start into what I would describe as dense tree-cover which isn't a lot of fun for handler or for that matter the judges who really cannot see what's happening .roche ran a bit long and didn't check in enough .A bird was away to the left nod although the judges couldn't see exactly what was happening the moving bell was telling the story .Tonto was a similar situation with not enough contact so both dogs were eliminated.
Second brace was English Setter Inti and Robyn's champ red dog Tanner good start for both dogs quartering the field well and hunting strong .With a tail wind the dogs pushed forward and then hunted back with INti on one cast missing me through the trees and going back toward the gallery before a whistle let him know where we're were .We move up the alley and all good until Inti punched to the left and went out of sight in the trees and went over a hill and off to never never land not to return for several minutes .Taner and on the other hand ran well worked the wind well and had great report and unlike Inti went through for the next round .
Third brace saw Dave red dog Billy and Rpbyns red dog Stella .This brace was dominated by shifting winds the judges commented so was not easy.Billy in General ran well and covered the ground well although did go behind Dave a few times but that could well have been the challenging wind conditions , with no birds Billy had done enough to proceed through. The comment was made by the judge Rob Merdith that this run by Stella made him smile so was the quality of the run .She hunted very well and hard through the native and only slowed in the longer heavier grass so Stella proceeded to the next round .As the second part of the trial was about to start the best bird of the date flew and landed about 20 metres in front of the gallery and strutted .
Second round Billy versus Tanner a really nice running brace and saw two dogs working together but sadly with no birds encounters .Cedderick versus Stella and again a good brace with Robyn commenting Stella ran ran her pants off
Cedderick versus Tanner and Billy versus Stella all in the final rounds and all had some good better than good running as commented to by the judges but again a lack of bird encounters saw a no result and with the most exciting bit of action was Dave falling face first over a log denting that pretty face .Tonight re we are sitting downing a couple of wines ,whiskey and beers complaining about the physicality of the day .It was a hard day out but great to be with passionate dog people and tomorrow we start again to find those elusive

Day two and it's a real wet one. The choice of cloths and foot wear is made and off we all head back to the 99 area.
First brace is Inti against Robyn's tonto. Both dogs cast off strong and proceed to work with gusto .Once again INti covers the ground well but pushed forward at speed and failed to check in enough without several whistle commands and for that he will not advance through .Tonto whilst covering growing also failed to give enough contact back to Robyn so didn't pass through either .
Robs Gordon Setter Banshee strides off and gets into his rhythm and has a good run but was cautioned to keep a bit more contact than he did on the day although he has done enough to proceed through to then next round .Barbs red dog Ruby set a good pace and had a polished run working the ground left to right and checking in on the way through ,other than having no bird contact had an exceptionally good run and through to the next round .
Dave Sheelys red dog Billy was next up against Morrys Gsp dog Charlie .Billy handled very well and kept in contact but had no birds , a very good searching run. Morrys started out we'll with his dog Charlie who is a big black handsome GSP who is a young dog with loads of go .Charlie worked well but did come back to the gallery a few times but did enough to go through .
Sorry lost my notes but at the end of the wrap up
Ruby and Ceddrick we last brace and whilst showed some birdyness it produced no birds and another day of no result .
We have decided to take a novice and a champ trial to the new ground at Rotorua and possibly one other novice if the next two days produce birds which they should .Its a real gut buster seeing what work has gone into the Taupo property only to have it not deliver the quality of bird encounter it should given the effort of Allen Jury to stock it for us .The most important thing all dogs need is birds as the bird make the the dog so we press onto new territory in our endeavours.

Sorry unable to edit from my iPad ?tried

Originally Posted by el borracho

Sorry unable to edit from my iPad ?tried

I can edit from mine El B.

Sunday cucumber sandwiches and ginger beer for all ,we have birds.
Trialers meet at 8am at the grounds entrance for the draw with eager anticipation for what this new day and new grounds might bring to us all.
This trial was a novice game trial ,meaning any dog that had not won a champ natural game trial or more than two natural game novice trials could enter .We had a interesting and glorious field of 8 dogs made up of one English pointer, one English Setter , one Gsp ,one Gordon Setter and the remainder Irish red Setters.
To have such a mix of breeds is very exciting for the sport of trailing and also for the gallery to observe the different styles of each breed .
As a tree had blocked our entry to the first field we entered quietly on foot so as not to disturb the potential game at the very first part of the course .
Our first brace was Robyn's Irish bitch Stella and Dales Irish bitch Ruchy. Both dogs started their brace and proceeded to work the ground left and right through the perfectly open areas of undergrowth ,open ground and blackberry .
Stella could have been a little more intense in her work but did enough at this level to go through although this early round did not produce a bird .Ruchy did enough t o go through also but could have been more responsive to commands and did work back a little .Ruchy had rabbit contact and was steady enough not to go chasing .
Next round English Setter INti and Dave's Irish Dog Billy.This should have been a walk in the park hunt for Inti but his character had changed over the last few weeks with dominance issues ,control issues and waywardness possibly due to his kennel mate coming into season ...not worth talking about and the next dog came in for a short run .Morries GSP Charlie was running.Billy had a rabbit in brace but was solid .Charlie's pattern needed work but he ran solidly with no birds mistakes.
Both Billy and Charlie had a bird in the heat but it was deemed only Billy had opportunity so was put out .Next brace was Robs gordon who had an enthusiastic flush which sent him packing .
Linda Becks Irish bitch Sappy was up against Alan jury's Pointer dog Ceddrick.
Sappy cast and went straight to work in the old birdyness area from where one had flushed .Sappy treated the grounds with a thorough search .Ceddrick work well as he has all week but in the blackberry came a crowing rooster out of view of the judges.Out of view but not out of tonal range of clattering bells which should have stopped so two dogs less.
Last rounds saw 3 dogs left ,Stella,Ruchy and Charlie.
Stella and Ruchy went first in an area known for birds .They had both forest interior and exterior to find in and cast fast and hard with vim and vigor as a judge said to quickly locate a bird .Dale had to do the unthinkable and shoot the bird on the ground as it would only leg it - lucky they're blanks eh!sadly Roche moved to much and went from the game.
Final run with Stella and Charlie .Morrie with Charlie is new to the trial world and running a GSP and having a great time competing. First cast of Charlie saw a bird come from behind the cast as the dogs worked forward so no harm done .Charlie worked enthusiastically only to find himself running after two
roosters from down in a gully he had been going through .Had she worked with a little more gusto Stella may have encountered those birds but did not .End of day no result but a very successful day for all in that we finally had some good bird opportunities and bird opportunities is what success is about .
Tomorrow the champ trial !photos to come once on home computer.
Again excuse the spelling errors - iPad replaces some things I write and they're weirder than I normally write.

Originally Posted by teFerrarri

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