Thread: Teaching NO !

The reaction from the dog when "NO" is used depends on what the dog is doing. "NO" means stop doing that , whatever it may be.

I understand that concept, but does a dog? Stop doing what? Bark? Sit? Stand? Lift a paw? Look at the bowl? Provide eye contact? Wag his tail? Breath? Blink? I'm nottt attacking your method of training, I'm hopefully just bringing to light the lack of communication "no" provides. In my opinion, more specific cues are more effective. Like "shhhh" (stop barking) or "off" (don't jump up). See what I mean? "No" is too general in my opinion.

That's cool man, your first sentence answered my question. As long as you know you are communicating clearly to your dog. I've seen plenty of people say "my dog isn't listening to me!!!" But their instructions have been unclear or confusing.

no one has disagreed with me, that to teach a dog a command the basics are . use a command,, A word or hand signal and associate it with a action and positive manner...
example sit , say sit and push down on dogs bum ,,,, so the dog is taking/making a action and it associates that action with the word sit ,,, so am i right or wrong ??

no one here has told me how to or how they teach no ?
but if i read between the lines every one uses it, and you all seem to assusate it with some kind a negative , weather it be a whip or a smake, loud No quite No, sshhh or cowering dog or non cowering dog it seems there is still a negative or fear involved ???





what i think most of you are doing is , instead of teaching a action,, your teaching a emotion and the emotion is fear/pain
if im right wont you be better off holding your dog down and wail you bet it yell no no no so it learns the emotion of fear/pain is associated with no then you only have to bet it once, so when you yell no it knows pain and fear is next

the point im trying to make is exaggerated but its true ?? ,,

kinda like twoshotkill hes linked the emotion of excitement/barking with food or with sitting ,

and like a gun shy dog has linked the emotion fear with the gunshot , thats why you need to associate fun with it


sooooo........tell me how to teach no ? and how did you teach it ? if you agree with what i say above about teaching a command wouldn't teaching NO be like trying to teach a dog the word THE ?

Substitute no with stop. In a prefect world dogs will do that on command, but it's not a prefect world.

Originally Posted by Kaimaicockher

but if i read between the lines every one uses it, and you all seem to assusate it with some kind a negative ,

wouldn't teaching NO be like trying to teach a dog the word THE ?

First - my dog doesn't know what 'no' means actually, it's probably what my boyfriend says when Jet licks his face, in between laughing of course, so Jet probably thinks "no" = lick huma's face more vigarously!

Secondly, in my opinion, yes. I would think that 'no' = 'the' is a very accurate representation.

You know how sometimes you can give your dog a look, a 'uh', a 'Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.....' and they just seem to stop, look at you, then 'stop doing the bad thing'? Well, not only are they stopping doing the bad thing, they are starting doing the good thing. And he's doing it because you either gave him a cue (this can be subconcious and often is) and also because you've done it before and his reaction has resulted in either a positive or a lack of a negative (pat on the head or lack of smack on the bum) I like what Wirehunt said. Introduce 'stop'. What's it mean? Freeze! Musical statues! Practice getting your dog to do it from all sorts of behaviours and all sorts of locations. Then when he has a shoe/duck/child in his mouth, you can tell him exactly what you want him to do. Stop. Freeze. Drop that thing. Stand still until you give him the next cue.

Now all of that was pretty difficult to type while I had my dog inside my jersey with me and the bloody thing just finished my last chocolate! :rolleyes:

I use "NO" and use a stop hand gesture when my lab is doing something bad but I say it firmly I then started saying sit straightafterwards and now when she gets reprimanded she stops and sits ,dogs are sensitive to tone of voice and she picked that command up quickly.

I think teaching no is something on going .I dont use the word no but the sound "A" like saying the vowel -short sharp with body language to boot --kinda like when a dog gives a warning growl. In time a dog gets to know what you mean -it whether they heed the warning or not -like some people ,some dogs are more or less intelligent than others .I know people who have been DICd 6 x --like a human its if they take heed and are fearful enough of a possible negative outcome

If you observe a bitch with her pups she has a 'no' yap. At least that's been my observation.

In the wild, dogs have a sound, or a look (my pit bull is silent but has an amazing 'look' when she's saying 'no' to the other 2 dogs I have). And I'm not confused by play / aggression behaviours before you ask.

So do I reinforce the no? (and I agree I use UT! too) - I use a water squirter bottle. Yes that's the fear response. But more importantly, I get the "OK he's serious I WILL obey him" response - and they are surely praised for obeying me.

So ultimately we are providing the dog with a warning, or avoidance mechanism. that's positive training in my book. Truthfully I'd be on a mission to find that bottle right now - so I guess the dogs have certainly learnt their UT! or NO! command.

Having said all that, I still have a curly coat that just will NOT 'come' when she's called. Sigh. (the other 2 are good though so I got something right).

and yes - done the positive treats thing, long line thing, oh well.

Si

No means no...there can be no emotion with it, that is the point isnt it? As I have written a puppy should know the meaning and intent of NO as early as possible. It cannot be allowed to get away with behaviours we do not want it to proceed with, just as children cannot be...bit late trying to teach a 15 month old puppy NO...it really will be confused.

The word NO is used during corrective action...

The reason a puppy is gun shy is because it has been introduced to a firearm in a poor method...a dog being gunshy has only his handler to blame.

Originally Posted by Kaimaicockher

no one here has told me how to or how they teach no ?

No one wants to say it. To most Kiwis, No is the word before a flogging. *opens can of worms*

I think your meaning that other saying Pointer, goes like "you fucking arsehole of a dog etc" as your looking for something to sling at it.

Ah, to have a handful of gravel to sling at a dog whilst standing the middle of pristine pasture

I hear that. The odd time the lead gravel is thrown though.