Thread: Teaching NO !

No means fucking No, stop doing what ever its doing. Pretty fucking simple

Originally Posted by Dougie

Kaimaicockher, you made the point I made. No means......what? Sit means to sit.

This is why my dog doesn't understand what 'no' means. I bet a lot of other dogs don't understand it either.

What more do you want?

yes i must say you did put that up straight off the bat , , but when you post information about training you don't seen to follow that basic logic

Originally Posted by Dougie

Get a new dog.

haha just kidding. I think you are on the right track with your food process, cool stuff I am going through similar stuff with my pooch, teaching him "shh" by marking and rewarding the moments when he isn't barking. The trick is mixing it up between marking and rewarding quiet after barking and also quiet after, well, not barking.

(Otherwise WOOF-silence will be reinforced, rahter than stopping barking. See what I mean?)

you see ? no action is not a action , you lost me

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

No means fucking No, stop doing what ever its doing. Pretty fucking simple

and im asking do you take the time to teach a stop command , or do you just scream at your dog until it stops ,,, there is a difference ,, its a simple question

Originally Posted by Tussock

No means "the bosses unhappy with me". Fortunately for me my dog is all about doing what the boss wants. So when I tell it its doing something I don't like, that means its willing to stop.

If you cant make "no" work because your dog doesnt give a shit when your unhappy with it, you have other issues.

same as above , did you take the time to teach that action , or do you scream no and your dog freaks out and stops ,,, did you teach a stop command and call it no


im just asking ?

No & a stop command are 2 different things

I hav taught my dog No means stop doing that, what ever it is its doing

its a legitimate question and such a simple one that no one is answering or debating ..... your all just saying no means no

What else does no mean

Originally Posted by Kaimaicockher

its a legitimate question and such a simple one that no one is answering or debating ..... your all just saying no means no

I don't understand this thread - I think you've had some great answers from varied people, all from different and valid camps! I am confused as why this is five pages

Be fucked. No means stop. You can add all the flowery crap you want after that, but they are one and the same. We know the meanings of the words, a mutt doesn't, it's not going to say to it'self "well the old boss dude said no but the ol cunt didn't say stop. So that must mean I can go a bit longer before he really loses his rag and I have to stop doing this".

Then in another thread we hear about setters heading over the ridge after rabbits. Did it know no or stop?

Or to really spell it out. No and stop are one and the same when it come to dogs.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Be fucked. No means stop. You can add all the flowery crap you want after that, but they are one and the same. We know the meanings of the words, a mutt doesn't, it's not going to say to it'self "well the old boss dude said no but the ol cunt didn't say stop. So that must mean I can go a bit longer before he really loses his rag and I have to stop doing this".

Then in another thread we hear about setters heading over the ridge after rabbits. Did it know no or stop?

Yep, you could call it "fryingpan!" if you really wanted. Or better yet, "Tweed!"

Rover, tweed!!! Tweed you f****n mutt I SAID TWEED!!

haha..

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

What else does no mean

lets just say hypothetically some one does not got to the time to teach no means stop, and maybe they have tort a slight negative association to no ,,,, easy to do since you dont jump and down all happy saying no do we ?
but we have a stop response because the negative response over time has made the dog just stop doing what it was doing ,,,kinda freeze or .....

now your gonna use your no command in day to day training and hunting . or around the house type stuff examples

dog jumps up on you , you say no,, does the dog relate the no to jumping up or to being on or near you ,
a even better example ,, your having some kind of trouble when you introduce the dog to scent , first time on scent the dog does not stop , you run out stop the dog from hunting a yell no because the dog did no stop ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, does the dog understand that said no because it did not stop or because it was hunting ?

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Be fucked. No means stop. You can add all the flowery crap you want after that, but they are one and the same. We know the meanings of the words, a mutt doesn't, it's not going to say to it'self "well the old boss dude said no but the ol cunt didn't say stop. So that must mean I can go a bit longer before he really loses his rag and I have to stop doing this".

Then in another thread we hear about setters heading over the ridge after rabbits. Did it know no or stop?

but you and dogie cant even teach your dog to stop so what are you saying , that you teach it or not

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Substitute no with stop. In a prefect world dogs will do that on command, but it's not a prefect world.

My understanding is that dogs do not generalise. Lets say your magic 'no' word works at home for your dog to stop jumping up. In another scenario, like at the park and you are holding up your lunch to eat it and your dog jumps up, you say "No!". I would say that nine times out of ten, your dog won't jump down immediately because he "knows what no means". He might get off you because of my last paragraph though....

If you really expect "no" to be a verbal cue for an action and you are chucking in so many other actions....wtf..! Comparable to "sit" means to sit when you are at home, but "sit" also means to roll over when you are out in the paddock. How insane is that???? You are using a cue for more than one action. That doesn't make sense to me.

What isn't insane though is that your dog will know when the boss isn't happy about something. I think this is what Tussock is explaining. The "ut!" or little growl or look or whatever. It works (if your relationship is clear with your dog).
I think you are talking about two very different things here. A cue, or 'command' as you are saying, has an action. ie you say "sit", your dog sits. "No" in the context that you are asking to use it is kind of irrelivant. You could say whatever the heck you want, different every time, but if you are truly emoting that fido isn't doing something you want, he'll know about it.

Does that make any sense? Tussock? Am I translating well here? I think you are the only one who knows what I am trying to say (with or without agreeing with it)

So I guess in short, nobody hear teaches their dog the cue "no". They simply communicate through both verbal cues (Fido, sit!) and also emotion (getting annoyed with your dog chewing your shoe, looking right at him but saying nothing and he gives up the shoe)