Thread: Happy Xmas doggers

Belated greatings to you doggers...have been away for a while... mine are in full R&R mode now... far too hot to hunt them
Big hard call RC, hope all is onward and upward...

I made the decision not to breed from him.

Lord knows why you would think your opinion on the matter would be of any significance to me whatsoever.

Originally Posted by RCGSP

I made the decision not to breed from him.

Lord knows why you would think your opinion on the matter would be of any significance to me whatsoever.

None needed at all... but I have seen a a lot of scenarios others have not seen. No need to take it wrong, but in my own personal experience, which is not yours, I have always taken every experience available in making such a decision. To ignore experience simply because i don;t like what they wrote on a forum would be considered folly to many if there is experience they may have offered an alternative course. I saw a GWP euthanized in the South Island for no reason other than the owners arrogant in-admission of being able to handle a dog.

Your decision, and its something you live with, if the thought that perhaps someone may have had an answer you hadn;t considered doesn;t worry you then good on you, it doesn;t effect me in way whatsoever, but you May have short changed your dog and yourself... of course, if arrogance leads you to believe only your conclusion is right, and others you may have considered are all in correct even when you have no clue what they are... good on you, but sorry as hell for the result.

I'm sure, as the last word on Gundogs in NZ you'll have similar training solutions for us all. Personally, I find it all a bit pathetic.

Didn;t want to go there, but as you are so fucking holy in your response I thought the truth might shed some light on it.

I tried to be nice, you're too arrogant to accept it... keep importing till you get one you can handle.

P.S: wasn;t being a cunt, I was being supportive... your arrogance forced me me to be that honest... you probably don;t care.. I do.. I feel sorry for your dog.

You're not getting it.

I'm not a trainer, I'm a breeder. Why would I jump through hoops to get a dog to perform then breed from it? I'm trying to produce talented dogs with good temperaments that are easy to train. Not stuff you have to deal with a canine psychologist to deal with. Therefore I only breed from dogs that fit that criteria.

Regardless, He had a major temperament fault. He's gone. He was my dog and I have to live with the decision just as I would have had to live with the consequences had I done nothing.

How dare you criticize such a difficult, critical decision you know nothing about. Get over yourself you self important ass.

But then again everything I say is wrong so what difference does it make.

Originally Posted by RCGSP

You're not getting it.

I'm not a trainer, I'm a breeder. Why would I jump through hoops to get a dog to perform then breed from it? I'm trying to produce talented dogs with good temperaments that are easy to train. Not stuff you have to deal with a canine psychologist to deal with. Therefore I only breed from dogs that fit that criteria.

Regardless, He had a major temperament fault. He's gone. He was my dog and I have to live with the decision just as I would have had to live with the consequences had I done nothing.

How dare you criticize such a difficult, critical decision you know nothing about. Get over yourself you self important ass.

But then again everything I say is wrong so what difference does it make.

very good point there RCGSP and im sure plenty of thought went before you before your decision was made

Originally Posted by RCGSP

You're not getting it.

I'm not a trainer, I'm a breeder. Why would I jump through hoops to get a dog to perform then breed from it? I'm trying to produce talented dogs with good temperaments that are easy to train. Not stuff you have to deal with a canine psychologist to deal with. Therefore I only breed from dogs that fit that criteria.

Regardless, He had a major temperament fault. He's gone. He was my dog and I have to live with the decision just as I would have had to live with the consequences had I done nothing.

How dare you criticize such a difficult, critical decision you know nothing about. Get over yourself you self important ass.

But then again everything I say is wrong so what difference does it make.

Yeah I get it... and i was being nice, you threw that in my face.

I also agree with you on many occasions... so get passed that.

I get you'd be a bit emotional on this subject, you had a lot invested in the dog, my heart genuinely went out to you.

However, I wouldn't hesitate to euthanise a dog too if I'd explored every option. Every dog ever born is capable of aggression and can only make dog decisions... This is the kind of work I do, some can be fixed, others not, but it's rarely fundamentally temperament in gundogs... but your call, I'll respect it. But there are advances in these areas been made yu may not be aware of, and I'm perfectly happy to share them anytime with you at no cost. I also make no caveat of a need for them to accepted, but they are always available to be offered in such a dire situation.

Anyway, I made a genuine offer of codonlance and sympathy and you took it the wrong way. My offer was genuine, I hope 2013 pans out better for you.

Originally Posted by Ruff

Yeah I get it... and i was being nice, you threw that in my face.

I also agree with you on many occasions... so get passed that.

I get you'd be a bit emotional on this subject, you had a lot invested in the dog, my heart genuinely went out to you.

However, I wouldn't hesitate to euthanise a dog too if I'd explored every option. Every dog ever born is capable of aggression and can only make dog decisions... This is the kind of work I do, some can be fixed, others not, but it's rarely fundamentally temperament in gundogs... but your call, I'll respect it. But there are advances in these areas been made yu may not be aware of, and I'm perfectly happy to share them anytime with you at no cost. I also make no caveat of a need for them to accepted, but they are always available to be offered in such a dire situation.

Anyway, I made a genuine offer of codonlance and sympathy and you took it the wrong way. My offer was genuine, I hope 2013 pans out better for you.

exactly what i was thinking , aggression is often just a habit that has manifested slowly over time , correct handling can often fix very quickly

RCGSP, you have my utmost respect. There can be no exceptions with conformation, temperament and work...it is what is in the breeders heart, the passion and endeavour on behalf of the breed that truly counts. Go well.

Originally Posted by EeeBees

RCGSP, you have my utmost respect. There can be no exceptions with conformation, temperament and work...it is what is in the breeders heart, the passion and endeavour on behalf of the breed that truly counts. Go well.

+1

Tough times mate. Chin up, that would have been a very hard D. There are many others on here that have had to say goodbye to a friend for whatever reason. It's not a nice thing my thoughts are with you and your family, two and four legged.

Originally Posted by Dougie

Chin up, that would have been a very hard D.

No Dougie, if that was the call it should have been easy. If the fucking thing is that bad then the decision is made quick. If it's not then is it the right one?......

Well done RCGSP, takes balls after putting that much coin down to import one.


To anyone reading this, this is the sort of guy you can safely buy a dog off, one prepared to make hard calls after spending tens of thousands to get one here.

bro im not giving you shit,, ,, all i said is it can often be fixed this type of handling is what interests me the most
guys like ruff fix this stuff all the time ,, i know another guy that at times deals with dogs that self mutilate and fixed it very easily,,, its all just behaviors and habits that can be changed with correct handling , its just stress , its how the dog lets it out, like a dog that eats grass when sitting ,, just another habbit that can be changed

Forget it. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Yeah I'm a bit touchy when I had to put my dog down and you assholes want to come around and tell me I was wrong when you have no idea what the situation was.

Originally Posted by RCGSP

Forget it. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Yeah I'm a bit touchy when I had to put my dog down and you assholes want to come around and tell me I was wrong when you have no idea what the situation was.

NO ONE said you were wrong.