Thread: Looking for a new job?

Originally Posted by bully

Take a learner on. Every industry wants experience. But you can't get it if nobody it training.
At least you end up with exactly what you want with no bad habits.

I need someone with skills that I dont have, the cad/cam side of things. My days are so busy its getting a struggle to set and run the cnc gear, we needs someone that can hit the shop floor running, they need to be able to run all the cnc gear without me being there.

Originally Posted by Tussock

I have had an eye on job listings for about four years. I have noted the huge number of "experience wanted" adds relative to incredibly rare introductory positions. This is going to bite New Zealand in the arse so hard its not even funny. Sweeping retirements of boomers over the next decade, huge skill shortages and no one in training.

Totally agree its better to build a skilled employee from scratch without the bad habits. You have absolute free reign when it comes to talent, if everyone is hiring for experience over talent.

I spose if I wanted to put the company on hold for ten years I could train someone . We need someone that can hit the floor running with a lot more experience than I have at running these machines. What we want is not something that can be learnt in a couple of years...

Originally Posted by DPT

I spose if I wanted to put the company on hold for ten years I could train someone . We need someone that can hit the floor running with a lot more experience than I have at running these machines. What we want is not something that can be learnt in a couple of years...

most of us understand your point and without knowing how your setup it is pretty rich to tell you how to run your business, a company i sub to has two young fellas on the books doing bits and pieces mixed up with the old school guys he has so they learn good sound skills before they are lost. in your setup is there a place for a apprentice and one of your current guys to step up to the roll you need to fill, is all your work cnc or is the manual lathes and mills. apprenticeship nz pay a large part of their wage to which might help with operating cost. good luck finding the right person.

Originally Posted by mucko

most of us understand your point and without knowing how your setup it is pretty rich to tell you how to run your business, a company i sub to has two young fellas on the books doing bits and pieces mixed up with the old school guys he has so they learn good sound skills before they are lost. in your setup is there a place for a apprentice and one of your current guys to step up to the roll you need to fill, is all your work cnc or is the manual lathes and mills. apprenticeship nz pay a large part of their wage to which might help with operating cost. good luck finding the right person.

No not at this stage, maybe in the future we could look at an apprentice but only when we had a few more guys on, our work is both manual and cnc. We don't have anyone else here that has any experience with cnc's apart from our young worker that just pushes the start button on one of the lathes, he has no interest in doing anymore than that, even if he did we would still need someone here with the experience to take him under his wing so to speak.

I'm not moving to Hamilton, for you or anybody else!

What CAD program mate? We use Solid Works...


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Originally Posted by Danny

What CAD program mate? We use Solid Works...


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Most likly solidworks. We will buy whatever the person we take on is good with.

This position is still open

New link to advert http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...?id=1013397449

I am happy to wait for the right person to come along, we are not willing to risk our reputation or risk our machines on someone that is not up to the job at hand. All it would take is one simple mistake to put one of our production machines out of operation that would really damage the company. And the simple fact of the matter is I just don't have the time nor experience to train someone to what we want.

Yep you are right but to be fair, DPT are looking for expertise that they haven't got already... that is not the case for established expertise and companies that only hire qualified staff. Its biting everywhere already because of that....

Sounds like you need to contract one from a company rather than find an employee to do so.

I can see both sides of this experienced/take on a appy argument.

When you need someone with certain skills thats who you need not an apprentice.

We need both at my work and I think we have just taken on a keen young fella as an appy.

Experienced Tradesmen with the right experience are hard to find and that is not helped by pay rates largely and not enough apprentices being taken on and the potential apprentices themselves being next to useless.

We have had 7 or 8 young fellas who just are not upto the task or are just shit employees before finding one worth offering a apprenticeship.

Just getting someone who

1) Shows up every day
2) Doesn't believe that dodgy windscreen wipers are a reason to call in sick
3) Doesn't spell 'faggot' as 'faget'
4) Work starts at 8am (for instance), that means being ready to rock and roll at 8am, boots on, not rocking up at 8:09 (traffic was shit aaaaaaye)
5) Doesn't have his mum call up with uniform laundry concerns (no shit, she wanted me to wash his gear)
6) one thousand more examples

...is a fucking struggle. Maybe it's the industry I'm in, but I've had it with the auto trade anyway, it's a magnet for douchebaggery. I want to retrain as a fridgie, get the fuck out of Auckland, and kill and eat shit on the weekends (Yes you can do this in Auckland, but the police eventually come looking for the rowdy neighbours, who of course you ate first)

Originally Posted by Tommy

Just getting someone who

1) Shows up every day
2) Doesn't believe that dodgy windscreen wipers are a reason to call in sick
3) Doesn't spell 'faggot' as 'faget'
4) Work starts at 8am (for instance), that means being ready to rock and roll at 8am, boots on, not rocking up at 8:09 (traffic was shit aaaaaaye)
5) Doesn't have his mum call up with uniform laundry concerns (no shit, she wanted me to wash his gear)
6) one thousand more examples

...is a fucking struggle. Maybe it's the industry I'm in, but I've had it with the auto trade anyway, it's a magnet for douchebaggery. I want to retrain as a fridgie, get the fuck out of Auckland, and kill and eat shit on the weekends (Yes you can do this in Auckland, but the police eventually come looking for the rowdy neighbours, who of course you ate first)

Mate Tell me about it
I run two retail stores and looking to expand but staffing is the Biggest hold back

As a young guy trying to break through into the engineering industry it is incredibly hard. I find myself applying for jobs even where it specifies that they are after a tradesman with 10+ years experience because I hope that they might call or email to say "Your application has been unsuccessful on this occasion", so I can explain I'm after an apprenticeship,
With no word of a lie, I would have applied for at least 40+ engineering jobs in the past two months alone, all of them not even getting past the first stage due to lack of experience, but how am I to get more without being offered an opportunity?
Luckily, I'm 19 and have age/time on my side. I also work in workshop (we produce exhausts for trucks, diggers etc) where I'm welding, operating lathes, mills, drills, presses, rollers, benders and other assortments of machines.
I back myself on my welding ability using MIG and Arc, working on my TIG. Also pretty happy with my machining capabilities, although our lathe is from the 50's I'm getting a really good grounding on my basic skills.

All this, and I still get turned down because they want Tradies and not keen young bucks who always show up early and are keen to learn and take everything on board.

Rant over