Thread: 1911 vs P220

Originally Posted by stumpy

im for the sig!!!!!!

now is that vote for the SIG because you're a fan, or because you're a champion of the underdog?

I rate 9mm sigs. Carried one for years and shot a few of their models well.
But not so sure about one in .45
1911 was built around the .45
Great cartridge and gun.

I am a fan of the modern high capacity guns for IPSC/Action.
.40 S&W or 10mm is still a lot of cartridge that leaves big holes😆

10mm the gruntier of the 2 is not that available in an ipsc version. But a nice 10mm gun shooting rounds loaded to power factor would last you a long time I reckon.

This is gun porn to me😆
So much so, I am going to buy another one.






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I'd recommend the 1911-

1) It's a classic
2) More aftermarket grips and customising options



I love mine and would not part with it

As for the Sig - a mate has one and he finds it hard to be accurate with it - YMMV

@R93 yous be lucky to get another, I hear the waiting list is about 20 pistols to be built and gbc having trouble getting frames out of the usa. I guess that's the supply/demand/price triangle

Originally Posted by specweapon

@R93 yous be lucky to get another, I hear the waiting list is about 20 pistols to be built and gbc having trouble getting frames out of the usa. I guess that's the supply/demand/price triangle

I am not in a hurry due to the price.
Gunna have to hide the next one from the cook😆

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Originally Posted by petronious_arbiter

now is that vote for the SIG because you're a fan, or because you're a champion of the underdog?

I love my p226 9mm ....... so I gots to love the sig !!!

I havn't read all the posts yet - but if your shooting it in Action as a metallic gun then has to be the 1911, I would assume it will be much more accurate and the sig double action will kill your scores. I have a Kimber 1911 in 9mm for Action metallic div - another good option!! But I get the 45 bug - I don't know anyone shooting a 45 in Action either

@R93: that's not a pistol — that's a raygun the 1911's history speaks for itself, alright.
@308: i agree the 1911 is a classic, and if i were to get it, i'd have no intention of customising it.
@stumpy: ah-HA — thank you for your vote!
@Vapour: good points — 've just waded through the NRA rules and the SIG falls into production which means first-shot double-action-only which would very frustrating (and expensive) at the 50-yard line for a recent shooter like myself.

so far:
— 2 x against the SIG;
— 1.5 x for the SIG (i'm splitting @R93's between the SIG and the 1911);
— 6.5 x for the 1911, a couple with caveats;
— 2 x unsolicited for a CZ; and
— 1 x call for common sense;
— 1 x call for the application of cold logic.

the ornery part of me says bugger to the 1911 bloc but the calls for common sense and logic are beginning to nag at me.

Originally Posted by R93

I rate 9mm sigs. Carried one for years and shot a few of their models well.
But not so sure about one in .45
1911 was built around the .45
Great cartridge and gun.

I am a fan of the modern high capacity guns for IPSC/Action.
.40 S&W or 10mm is still a lot of cartridge that leaves big holes😆

10mm the gruntier of the 2 is not that available in an ipsc version. But a nice 10mm gun shooting rounds loaded to power factor would last you a long time I reckon.

This is gun porn to me😆
So much so, I am going to buy another one.






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Open?

F.U.B.A.R

Originally Posted by nzfubz

Open?

F.U.B.A.R

No. Another standard one. Thrash the one I have and get a new one later on, for comps only.

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I also have a .40s&w dbl stack para, and its a accurate f'ing thing and feels good in the hand(fat grips, good/great to shoot, shit to change mags in a hurry - small hand/cock issue.), the cz sp-01 shadow, just "fits me", all around. i shoot it quick and accurate over all.
The .40 is fun to shoot though

I just like small holes though...


So thats a 1911/2011 40/45, if you want shits and giggles

Or a if you want to win vote, go cz 9mm

Originally Posted by petronious_arbiter

@R93: that's not a pistol — that's a raygun the 1911's history speaks for itself, alright.
@308: i agree the 1911 is a classic, and if i were to get it, i'd have no intention of customising it.
@stumpy: ah-HA — thank you for your vote!
@Vapour: good points — 've just waded through the NRA rules and the SIG falls into production which means first-shot double-action-only which would very frustrating (and expensive) at the 50-yard line for a recent shooter like myself.

so far:
— 2 x against the SIG;
— 1.5 x for the SIG (i'm splitting @R93's between the SIG and the 1911);
— 6.5 x for the 1911, a couple with caveats;
— 2 x unsolicited for a CZ; and
— 1 x call for common sense;
— 1 x call for the application of cold logic.

the ornery part of me says bugger to the 1911 bloc but the calls for common sense and logic are beginning to nag at me.

thank you to the forum hivemind: i'm going for the 1911.

chur

According to my experience, 1911 is a better choice between 1911 and P220. Since it is a classic gun and has better after-market grip, you should say YES to 1911.

@gunnerjacky @Beaker @R93 @nzfubz @Vapour @stumpy @308 @specweapon @bluemonsta @gundoc @res @johnd — thank you all for your kind words and advice last year. below is a little something for your entertainment and smh-ing.

MY FIRST .45

Warning: not all of the following is necessarily true or actually happened.

When I joined the Auckland Pistol Club a few years back, it seemed like everyone was running a Glock or a CZ. The club guns were Glocks and CZs. Everyone told me that the perfect first pistol was either a Glock (for the ease-of-use and reliability) or a CZ (for the accuracy and reliability). And as I progressed through my training and probation, I knew one thing: my first pistol was not going to be a Glock or a CZ.

I bought a Springfield Armory XD having neither handled nor shot one, and Sheila and I — yes, I named her — would throw jacketed lead downrange whenever my and the club armourer’s schedules coincided (my B endorsement was still pending). The XD worked — and still works — perfectly, eating whatever factory and reloaded ammo it’s fed without complaint, and is a wonderful and fun pistol for IPSC matches. Then I got a Tanfoglio P19 for NRA matches and I broke it on each of my first two range visits with it (but that’s another story).

Fastfoward to last year and, with two 9mm’s (figuratively) on my belt, I got a hankering for a .45. That’s not exactly true — the stars aligned and available for sale were: a barely used SIG-Sauer P220 at an awesomely reasonable price; and a brand spanking Tanfoglio 1911 at a very competitive price. Both pistols were all steel, and each came with enough eight-round mags to complete a typical IPSC match (if I remained calm enough to be both accurate and frugal). I had quite the conundrum.

Google helped a little. The SIG-Sauer had countless positive reviews while reviews of the actual Tanfoglio 1911 were a little thin (and usually not in English). I asked an online forum and once I sorted out the Glock and CZ fans — seriously, you can’t take two steps without tripping over one — I had a list of pro’s and con’s. It was German precision versus an all-American classic. Teutonic reliability versus a century-old-plus design. One bright spark pointed out that if I wanted to claim any kind of proficiency with any firearm, I should sleep with it as well. No, wait: that would threaten my B endorsement, not to mention sleeping arrangements with my Lovely Wife. What they actually said was, proficiency comes from practice, visualisation, practice, muscle memory, and more practice.

The Tanfoglio 1911’s controls are similar to those on my P19: magazine release, slide release, and safety catch. Similar and familiar controls are good between pistols. The P220, however, has no safety catch — it has a decocking lever which means that, having racked the slide and chambered a round, the decocker has to lower the hammer, so the first shot has to be double-action. Since I enjoy shooting cocked-and-locked, controlling that first double-action shot was going to require a lot of practice — and .45 ACP ammo isn’t cheap.

I umm-ed and ahh-ed. The clock was ticking on the SIG-Sauer and the Tanfoglio.

Then I saw an awesome online special and bought a Grand Power P45 without having handled or shot one — but look: a rotating barrel! ambidextrous controls! ten rounds per mag!

And when the P45 arrived in the mail and I held it in my hands… it was hate at first sight.

The Grand Power looks like an air pistol. I own a Glock 21 and an original WWII-era Colt 1911A1. The Glock is accurate and the sights a good, whereas the Colt is mostly for fun