Thread: Air pistols and robberies

Originally Posted by mcdeee

Just seems 98% likely. Petty criminal would be risking a lot with a real pistol in public.

You are risking your life with an air pistol. A couple of years ago a young fellah was fatally shot by police just a few miles down the road from here when he foolishly pointed a air pistol and thinking it was funny wouldn't put it down when told to do so.

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points..

Correct, however, you are in dreamland.

People commit crime for a reason

Yes, criminality.

reducing that reason would reduce the offending

Cool, so rape cos she's hot is on? I spent all my money on codys and ciggies and the TAB on thursday, so the money you have (by not frittering it on these things) is my money, I just have to come get it? What 's your address?

If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending change

Nope, you think twice, cos you aren't out by xmas this time around

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand

Yep and most aren't thieving cunts. Some CHOOSE that path.

more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead

Minter, I want a spa, my own home, two rentals, a nice boat, missus with bolt on tits, and a mistress with different bolt on tits for variety. Which bank do I rob? Or should I do multiple dairy robberies (the family owned ones, you know, the ones that are struggling to get ahead) and sell the tobacco on facebook, and down the pub? How many dairy robberies is too many?

Society pays the price for people offending.

Agreed.

Norske, I see your point, but NZ is a great place to become educated and get ahead, problem is it's a choice and the system now allows you to take what you can from social service and do a bit of theiving to top up and live a lazy life. That's what you have to change, I cannot believe anyone goes thru the schooling system here and cannot read or write, let alone do simple maths. We allow these choices to be available, I don't know the answer, but taking hard working citizens earning ain't really an option.
I old and tend to believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but there are too many soft cocks now that just want to cuddle the poor bastards

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points.

People commit crime for a reason,reducing that reason would reduce the offending.If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending changes.

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand,more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead.Society pays the price for people offending.

Norsk your view is fine in theory but in practical reality has not worked so I am with Tommy on this. We have had a welfare state in New Zealand for several decades now but instead of the various benefits being viewed as a hand up for which there should be gratitude they are seen as a hand out to which there is an overwhelming sense of entitlement by many of the recipients. I firmly believe that the choices a person makes can overcome any social disadvantage that they have the misfortune to be born into.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Norske, I see your point, but NZ is a great place to become educated and get ahead, problem is it's a choice and the system now allows you to take what you can from social service and do a bit of theiving to top up and live a lazy life. That's what you have to change, I cannot believe anyone goes thru the schooling system here and cannot read or write, let alone do simple maths. We allow these choices to be available, I don't know the answer, but taking hard working citizens earning ain't really an option.
I old and tend to believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but there are too many soft cocks now that just want to cuddle the poor bastards

People do though.I would say half the guys I worked with in Kaiangaroa couldn't read or write well.Statistically I should have been a failure too,no School Certificate,dropped out of School,manual labourer etc. However I was raised well and had that support network of family and strong role models.

Most offenders come from broken homes,many were abused as kids,the odds are stacked against them from the start.Add to that limited job prospects,low income communities,historical welfare dependancies.Tommy states they choose to offened,they can't "un-choose" the circumstances they grew up in.

Originally Posted by norsk

People do though.I would say half the guys I worked with in Kaiangaroa couldn't read or write well.Statistically I should have been a failure too,no School Certificate,dropped out of School,manual labourer etc. However I was raised well and had that support network of family and strong role models.

Most offenders come from broken homes,many were abused as kids,the odds are stacked against them from the start.Add to that limited job prospects,low income communities,historical welfare dependancies.Tommy states they choose to offened,they can't "un-choose" the circumstances they grew up in.

And to go further into that particular failure, we're into politics. Choice is choice. Don't penalise the people who don't make shit life decisions for the actions of those that do. This applies to many aspects of life.

Originally Posted by Tommy

And to go further into that particular failure, we're into politics. Choice is choice. Don't penalise the people who don't make shit life decisions for the actions of those that do. This applies to many aspects of life.

But you will do.

Privatised prisons need more and more "paying customers".

Knowing a few on here we have come from similar starts to you and have made our own way through life without privilege, it's a self attitude and a motivation to do some thing with your life. @Rushy I view my super as a god given right! Don't go there!

Originally Posted by norsk

But you will do.

Privatised prisons need more and more "paying customers".

Volunteers. I pay.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Correct, however, you are in dreamland.



Yes, criminality.



Cool, so rape cos she's hot is on? I spent all my money on codys and ciggies and the TAB on thursday, so the money you have (by not frittering it on these things) is my money, I just have to come get it? What 's your address?



Nope, you think twice, cos you aren't out by xmas this time around



Yep and most aren't thieving cunts. Some CHOOSE that path.



Minter, I want a spa, my own home, two rentals, a nice boat, missus with bolt on tits, and a mistress with different bolt on tits for variety. Which bank do I rob? Or should I do multiple dairy robberies (the family owned ones, you know, the ones that are struggling to get ahead) and sell the tobacco on facebook, and down the pub? How many dairy robberies is too many?



Agreed.

Hear Fucken Hear!!!

Tommy for Prime Minister

People taking personal responsibility for their actions would go a long way.

I'm sick of the "oh he was beaten as a child" type shit I so often read about. Back in the day socially accepted means of disciplining children are regarded as child abuse today. Knowing the difference between right and wrong is not rocket science. Most criminals elect to do what they do through choice, motivated by greed and by the fact that they can't be bothered doing a day's honest work so they feel it is their right to take from others.

Playing the victim and using that as an excuse is a loser's attitude. There are a lot of low-paid law abiding citizens who've experienced hardship too.

Originally Posted by Ryan

People acknowledging and taking personal responsibility for their actions would go a long way.

I'm sick of the "oh he was beaten as a child" type shit I so often read about. Back in the day socially accepted means of disciplining children are regarded as child abuse today. Knowing the difference between right and wrong is not rocket science. Most criminals elect to do what they do through choice, motivated by greed and by the fact that they can't be bothered doing a day's honest work so they feel it is their right to take from others.

There are a lot of low-paid law abiding citizens who've experienced hardship too. Playing the victim and using that as excuse is a loser's attitude.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Knowing a few on here we have come from similar starts to you and have made our own way through life without privilege, it's a self attitude and a motivation to do some thing with your life. @Rushy I view my super as a god given right! Don't go there!

No argument from me. I work hard for my $$ and we look after ourselves and yet I find I am constantly being expected to "pay more" or "my share"

Well F#$k me why, really takes away the intensive to work hard when you can do Sweet FA and still get looked after.
Don't get me started about all the bleating about house prices

People commit crimes because their morality threshold is reached, and to the offender, the reward outweighs the risk of being caught and receiving the likely punishment.

Everyone has a different threshold when it comes to committing offences, be it speeding, shoplifting, assault, robbery or murder. Some of us would, under no circumstances, commit any such offence, while the worst of us wouldn't hesitate. The rest of us lie somewhere in between.

Ask yourself this:

1. If there was absolutely no chance of being caught, what crime(s) would you commit? Would you attach that standard capacity mag to your A-cat semi? Would you steal $10 from a stranger? $1000? $1Million? Would you assault or kill an individual of your choice?
2. Now what if there was a 100% chance you would be caught, but the punishment was minor?
3. What if there was a small chance you would be caught, but if you were caught, the punishment was severe?

Everyone has a different morality threshold and a different risk/reward threshold. Improving the chance of catching offenders (more, better policing) and increasing punishments (more jail time etc) are the easy solutions. Changing people's morality thresholds so they don't offend in the first place is the hard solution.

Many people have exceedingly low morality thresholds.