Thread: B endorsement

I was of the understanding that you needed a certain number of members to set up an approved pistol range? Am I right? Otherwise I'd set one up in my backyard!


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https://www.police.govt.nz/service/f...nge-manual.pdf

I'm not aware of any requirement for member numbers for a range. There might be, but I haven't seen/been told of it.


However, that circles around to the B endorsement maintenance issue. Even if you have a certified range, you would still need to do 12 attendances with a club per year. You could I guess form a club (not sure on doing this bit, as I joined a existing club). Would be nice to have one in the back yard for practice though..... (I just need a slightly larger back yard )

Originally Posted by Beaker

....will be starting soon'ish, to design up a multi use indoor range(22 target, issf, and ipsc - down the line only, not full 180 deg) This is going to be even easier( but alot more expensive) than the outdoor side, as its just a concrete building, with certain design features, ie thickness on concrete, services locations, air flow, bullet catcher system, etc.

Slight topic swerve. Howick Indoor Range was going through some challenges on maintenance a few years ago on their indoor range after 10+ years of heavy use by rimfire rifle, pistol and air rifle shooters. Decontamination of the bullet trap, updating air filters for the fans (and decontaminating them) with all the vapourised lead floating around, updated regs on min air flow and working out a better way of cleaning the lead dust on concrete floor as the original plan when designed/built back in the day to simply wash everything down regularly into drains. Now reg don't allow that waste water to be flushed into the system and must be collected and removed by certified/qualified companies.

Shot there for many years, I left after in fighting on the H&S Committee because the only way to do things, is the right way, which isn't necessarily the cheapest way I don't know where they are now with this. Birkenhead Indoor range under the sports stadium suffered the same problem, couldn't decontaminate/clean correctly and they closed down. YouthTown decontamination is a biggie too.

Youth town was separate.
They only had a verbal rolling monthly rental agreement.
In order to invest 6 figures in ventilation a longer rental contract was requested.

That wasn't given so the risk vs investment was too high so the club was locked out.
Basically members of youth town Trust had been trying for years to get rid of the range and they finally succeeded.

The club was more than willing to upgrade and decontaminate but it wasn't viable in the end. Simply due to the lack of contract.

Also have a look at - Range Inspections

There some good design references etc....

Would suggest if you are thinking of a pistol range, a No Danger Area Range would be the easiest to do.
Look at page 27 - http://www.pistolnz.org.nz/media/12127/range_dev_3.pdf for heights of berms verse firing distance. I would also suggest that they be treated as absolute minimums for the heights. i.e. the books say 5m but aim for 6m, as the rules change over time and adding to a completed berm, due to slumping, erosion, or rule change - will be a major pain in A.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Slight topic swerve. Howick Indoor Range was going through some challenges on maintenance a few years ago on their indoor range after 10+ years of heavy use by rimfire rifle, pistol and air rifle shooters. Decontamination of the bullet trap, updating air filters for the fans (and decontaminating them) with all the vapourised lead floating around, updated regs on min air flow and working out a better way of cleaning the lead dust on concrete floor as the original plan when designed/built back in the day to simply wash everything down regularly into drains. Now reg don't allow that waste water to be flushed into the system and must be collected and removed by certified/qualified companies.

Shot there for many years, I left after in fighting on the H&S Committee because the only way to do things, is the right way, which isn't necessarily the cheapest way I don't know where they are now with this. Birkenhead Indoor range under the sports stadium suffered the same problem, couldn't decontaminate/clean correctly and they closed down. YouthTown decontamination is a biggie too.

Very much agree with your points.
For once the yanks have some good ideas for indoor ranges - air and contamination.
The top of my list at the moment, is a snail type target area. Imagine a V on its side, and a circular portion at the back, off set.



As mentioned, not cheap at all!! But do it once do it right.

Plus positive air movement down range, polished floors, painted walls, no dust collection areas, etc.....

Police range at Porirua was designed to have air be pumped through from behind the shooters and sucked in at the end behind the butts

If the inlet and outlet holes are evenly sized and distributed across their respective ends then the air flows in a manner called "plug flow" which has little turbulence but steady from behind the shooters and carries away any fumes and whatnot

Also was designed for use with frangible rounds FWIW

Dunno how well it worked in the end as I only saw it at the early stages but it's an idea

The snail trap looks really good

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I wasn't aware of that sorry Pete. You just buggered my argument.

@7mmwsm

No worries mate.

There is a number of other Pistol clubs around the country that also are not affiliated with PNZ.

I know of one in the King Country and another in Northland and I'm sure there will be others.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by nseagoon

Youth town was separate.
They only had a verbal rolling monthly rental agreement.

Yup, the closure wasn't related to the decontamination problems. I meant the owners are now going through the expensive challenges, through the original bad design.

To be fair it was a .22 range for a few decades before CSI. Back then it just simply wasn't a consideration. Even though now we know best practice.

I've done my 3 visits and put the form in. Think I'll enjoy it. Just the 6 month probation thing really gives me the shits. Specially when you already have endorsements.

Originally Posted by Beavis

I've done my 3 visits and put the form in. Think I'll enjoy it. Just the 6 month probation thing really gives me the shits. Specially when you already have endorsements.

@Beavis

6 months (& 12 Shoots minimum) will fly by.

Cheers
Pete

(almost) any muppet can get other endorsements

Originally Posted by specweapon

(almost) any muppet can get other endorsements

I don't see it as an issue