Thread: The future of 3gun in nz?

Is that sport in the above videos always shot prone? Is there any movement or shooting around/through/under barricades/obstacles or from positions designed to be tricky to the shooter? And do they have a power factor of some description? Genuine questions.

Phils talking of maybe using ipsc mini rifle which is 22lr and colour coding targets on the longer distance ranges, it could work but sounds messy. But might be what happens when we run rifle nats next year.

Can you please point me to the wording that may still allow box fed shotguns to exist? Very interested in your answer to this one!

Originally Posted by Towely

Is that sport in the above videos always shot prone? Is there any movement or shooting around/through/under barricades/obstacles or from positions designed to be tricky to the shooter? And do they have a power factor of some description? Genuine questions.

Phils talking of maybe using ipsc mini rifle which is 22lr and colour coding targets on the longer distance ranges, it could work but sounds messy. But might be what happens when we run rifle nats next year.

Can you please point me to the wording that may still allow box fed shotguns to exist? Very interested in your answer to this one!

Arms act wording:

2A Meaning of prohibited firearm
In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, prohibited firearm—

(a) means any of the following firearms:

(i) a semi-automatic firearm (except a pistol), other than—

(A) a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of firing only 0.22 calibre or lower rimfire cartridges and that has a magazine, whether or not detachable or otherwise externally fed, that is capable of holding no more than 10 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:

(B) a semi-automatic shotgun with a non-detachable tubular magazine or magazines that are capable of holding no more than 5 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:

(ii) a pump-action shotgun that is capable of being used with a detachable magazine:

(iii)a pump-action shotgun that has a non-detachable tubular magazine or magazines that are capable of holding more than 5 cartridges commensurate with that firearm’s chamber size:


The way I read this...
- semi shotguns may have only tubular magazines, and max 5 shell mag capacity.
- pump action shotguns may have tubular mags with max five shell capacity, OR fixed (non detachable) box mags with 5 shell max capacity.

So box mags are out for all practical time saving purposes, unless you miraculously manage to make them double stack, double feed and loadable by 5-shell stripper clips. You can get speed loaders for tubular mags though, which have an advantage over the stripper-fed box mag that they may be topped up any time and with the gun in battery, safety rules permitting.

Originally Posted by Towely

Is that sport in the above videos always shot prone? Is there any movement or shooting around/through/under barricades/obstacles or from positions designed to be tricky to the shooter? And do they have a power factor of some description? Genuine questions.

Phils talking of maybe using ipsc mini rifle which is 22lr and colour coding targets on the longer distance ranges, it could work but sounds messy. But might be what happens when we run rifle nats next year.

Can you please point me to the wording that may still allow box fed shotguns to exist? Very interested in your answer to this one!

Yes it's always shot prone. Those rifles are over 5kg, so it wouldn't really be practical to shoot them offhand or to have a lot of movement with the rifle.
The rifle is tightly sling to the left arm, which is why they only reload with the right hand, even on the G3 where the charging handle is on the left side.
You'd want to use the much lighter Sauer 100, 101, or 202 that use the same action for anything requiring fast movement and offhand shooting.

I got the detachable mag thing from a knowledgeable person I trust, although I wasn't 100% clear how they came to that conclusion.
It could be wrong for all I know. Then again, I'm not a lawyer, so take it with a grain of salt...

I thought that may be the case. If youre wanting to be competitive in ipsc rifle now youre going to want to be shooting a pump gun.

Interesting watching thos vids it would appear they are using thier middle or ring finger on the trigger so they can leave the hand still on the bolt, that's how it looks to me any way. Interesting new technique to learn.

Good to see there's plenty of interest in keeping the sport going, I have been thinking that if using pcc's or 22s it may open up more ranges as our range is no rifles excet 22, I am guessing there are other ranges around with a similar setup that could possibly be opened up to 3 gun as well.

Weight and sling explains a few things as was thinking their recoil control was outstanding. Wouldn't be surprised if shooting mild loads as well I was thinking?
Guess they must have a power factor to meet though?

Originally Posted by jackson21

Weight and sling explains a few things as was thinking their recoil control was outstanding. Wouldn't be surprised if shooting mild loads as well I was thinking?
Guess they must have a power factor to meet though?

I'm fairly certain there is a power factor. They do need to shoot out to about 300m and they would probably want their ammo to be as flat shooting as possible.
It's probably similar to off the shelf or mil spec 6.5x55. They need a mirage strap for less than 20 rounds, so it must be putting some serious heat into a barrel that heavy.

I agree with previous comments, pump rifles will be the way to go I think. I have a Kriss DMK .22lr it's great but it's no centrefire.

Those troy pumps can be quite quick.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=OkzzC01KodE

https://youtu.be/L64RRs6R0rg