Thread: Going to give pistol shooting a go

I just read through the PNZ Holster Training handbook and the only thing different from the original course I helped design is the various Cowboy Action techniques. The original course certainly had all the safe gun handling, shooting positions, loading and unloading, accurate shooting pointers as well as the safe holster training for single action autos, double action autos, and revolvers, which is why it took a whole half day. Perhaps the fact that we would only train shooters that had demonstrated a required level of performance to the satisfaction of their club, meant we could do it much quicker (and at no cost) than today.

Originally Posted by stug

@paulbrady Just email admin at pistol club. Course is 6-7 weeks $10 a time plus ammo. You need your own belt holster etc. I think there is a charge for the final assessment of about $30, but I could be wrong on that.

Really? 6-7 weeks? Seems excessive to learn something as simple as drawing, I think I learnt it and built up the muscle memory in 1/2 a day. Unless there is a whole lot of things I don't know about which complicate a very simple movement, it seems very excessive.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Really? 6-7 weeks? Seems excessive to learn something as simple as drawing, I think I learnt it and built up the muscle memory in 1/2 a day. Unless there is a whole lot of things I don't know about which complicate a very simple movement, it seems very excessive.

The Holster course at CPC takes 6 - 7 weeks as its only an hour or so per session ... which covers more than just drawing from a holster..
It covers stance/s .. grip , trigger pull ... strong hand and weak hand shooting , transition of pistol between strong and weak hand , sight picture , basic IPSC rules ,shooting kneeling one knee shooting prone , mag changing standing/kneeling/prone,of course drawing and holstering the pistol ... and many other small things that will help you shooting no end .
The course being only an hour or so and in the module form ... it makes for easy learning ,in a non stress environment
Remember you cant work a loaded pistol from a holster unless your PNZ holster qualified (or thats how i understand it .. or maybe only PNZ affiliated clubs?)

Savage1 is a cop. That's about as under trained as you will get! His opinion on drawing from a holster and the other stuff that goes along with a pistolNz holster course is worthless!

Originally Posted by Towely

Savage1 is a cop. That's about as under trained as you will get! His opinion on drawing from a holster and the other stuff that goes along with a pistolNz holster course is worthless!

Bit harsh on the fella😆.

Difference between police/military and us ipsc/action folk is we draw to shoot paper or steel from a speed or unrestricted holster.
Speed, saftey and technique results in time saved in a match shooting at inanimate objects.

He may never be required to draw his pistol with any speed. But if he has to draw his pistol, there is definitely a lot more at stake.









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Originally Posted by Towely

Savage1 is a cop. That's about as under trained as you will get! His opinion on drawing from a holster and the other stuff that goes along with a pistolNz holster course is worthless!

Lmfao.
Idiot.

You're right he's a cop, so yup must have zero training in firearms

Also to note ... PNZ affiliated clubs will only allow you to shoot "Tyro" as in "NO drawing a loaded pistol from a holster" and ONLY allowing you start from a 45 degree angle ... after the "load and make ready" command has been given.
And your also NOT allowed to RUN while carrying or shooting your pistol,carbine,shotgun etc ... you MUST WALK until "Holster Qualified"
Bit more to it than just drawing your gun

Originally Posted by seano

Also to note ... PNZ affiliated clubs will only allow you to shoot "Tyro" as in "NO drawing a loaded pistol from a holster" and ONLY allowing you start from a 45 degree angle ... after the "load and make ready" command has been given.
And your also NOT allowed to RUN while carrying or shooting your pistol,carbine,shotgun etc ... you MUST WALK until "Holster Qualified"
Bit more to it than just drawing your gun

Yes, that has been the case since day 1 when PSI introduced Practical Shooting to NZ in 1983, some time before PNZ took it over.

Originally Posted by seano

Also to note ... PNZ affiliated clubs will only allow you to shoot "Tyro" as in "NO drawing a loaded pistol from a holster" and ONLY allowing you start from a 45 degree angle ... after the "load and make ready" command has been given.
And your also NOT allowed to RUN while carrying or shooting your pistol,carbine,shotgun etc ... you MUST WALK until "Holster Qualified"
Bit more to it than just drawing your gun

Is there somewhere that it's written that you cannot run until you have done the holster qualification course?

When I did the course, I wasn't expecting (until I first read the manual) for them to go over all of the shooting positions, weak hand, strong hand etc. By that stage it was all stuff that I had done at club match level. Not that I think it's a bad thing. I did it as a 1/2 day course and it was no problem time wise or other to cover all those things again.

Now, out of all of the things they covered which wasn't related to drawing , one thing they didn't cover was running. So whats the reasoning behind not being able to run until holster qualified and if thats the case why is there nothing explicit about in in the course?

I was running at club matches as soon as I was confident and of course was always tyro until my course.

No it's not written anywhere, just up to the individual clubs on what they see as best practice. Loads of new shooters try to run and shoot IPSC fast because that's what they see everyone else doing, rather than having the skill to block out a stage, transitions, etc AND shoot straight.

Looks like the holster course at CPC is specific to the club, esp if they're including IPSC rules (which is a great idea), seeing they're including other activities and not just being holster qualified.

Last time we covered moving while shooting, not running, just steady walk while shooting.

Yes, that seems to be how it is. I have talked to a few people and some clubs are different.

Safety should always come first but I have to say that I am glad I didn't have the running restriction and of the new members I have seen under the same conditions, they always work to a level they are confident and only seem to get DQ'd for brainless moments like sweeps or making ready without bening told, etc. Never seen something bad happen as a result of them running.

I could foresee issues like breaking 180 running past target a step to far but that is stuff they will have to deal with when they first tackle stages with speed anyhow.

Originally Posted by Towely

Savage1 is a cop. That's about as under trained as you will get! His opinion on drawing from a holster and the other stuff that goes along with a pistolNz holster course is worthless!

By that logic then all of your opinions on using pistols in real world situations, not pretend situations, is equally worthless.

Have you had any direct experience with police firearms training, initial and regular?

Thanks @seano , I didn't realise there was more involved in the course than just holster use.

Originally Posted by Towely

Savage1 is a cop. That's about as under trained as you will get! His opinion on drawing from a holster and the other stuff that goes along with a pistolNz holster course is worthless!

Towley I know serving Police that are also members of a pistol club and what is more, they are holster qualified as well. If your statement is made without knowledge of the level of training Savage1 has had or indeed what else he has done with firearms in his lifetime, then I for one would think your statement equally worthless as you think his opinion on drawing a pistol is.

That has to be one of your most PC replies ever pal