Thread: Scary DQ compilation video

We should all just shoot ISSF and be happy.

When did moving away from the targets become in vogue for Courses of fire?
(I Refer to Stugs comment regarding up range / down range )
That must be a nightmare, tripping over objects and backing in to range officers ?
From the video I see that multi gun shoots include multiple weapons within a course of fire, is that followed here? God I hope not.

Originally Posted by johnd

When did moving away from the targets become in vogue for Courses of fire?
(I Refer to Stugs comment regarding up range / down range )
That must be a nightmare, tripping over objects and backing in to range officers ?
From the video I see that multi gun shoots include multiple weapons within a course of fire, is that followed here? God I hope not.

Just one of the challenges involved in IPSC, look where you are going and you shouldn't have any issue with tripping on things or running into the RO.

With regards to Multi gun, yes we have that here, a new rule set has just been released along with training courses for ROs. I don't see why having 2 or 3 firearms on the range is an issue, it's not like they will jump up and cause trouble on their own.

Lastly, I don't know about you, but I take firearms to the range, not Weapons as you put it.

Originally Posted by johnd

When did moving away from the targets become in vogue for Courses of fire?
(I Refer to Stugs comment regarding up range / down range )
That must be a nightmare, tripping over objects and backing in to range officers ?
From the video I see that multi gun shoots include multiple weapons within a course of fire, is that followed here? God I hope not.

There should be no objects to trip over when moving backwards, other than the shooters own two feet and if you have a competent range officer (rather than just a timer holder) then they will know to keep the hell out of the way of the shooters.

It's the range officer's responsibility to keep out of the way. Not the shooter to look out for the range officer.

Well just going from the video, i see guys throwing loaded firearms onto tables and there they spin and face the spectators, shouldnt the object be to remain in control of the firearm.
In other events on the video I see people chucking loaded firearms into bins, I just hoped that here we would be a bit more carefull. But it sounds like you guys are ok with this?
Dont get me wrong I'm not trying to do a wind up just interested to see what has changed.
I really dont get the need to require a shooter to move backwards, unless you have limited range space and then thats down to poor course design.
As for the R/O having to "keep out of the way" I dont really think things like this would hold up in a coroners report.

Either go to a range that shoots multigun 3 gun or IPSC and see how it works for your self or go play chess or some shit. I can't be bothered trying to explain it over the internet.

Originally Posted by Towely

Either go to a range that shoots multigun 3 gun or IPSC and see how it works for your self or go play chess or some shit. I can't be bothered trying to explain it over the internet.

Geeze mate thats a bit heavy handed isnt it? I'm making genuine questions here and you just want to belittle me, If you've had a hard day go lie down dont put it on me!

I'm not a people person, just very blunt. Don't take offence. Some things have to be experienced. Go find a range that caters for these types of shooting sports and get amongst it. There are stringent rules to these games we play THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED FOR SAFETY REASONS!!! If they don't get followed you end up with a video called "scary dq compilation video" or some crap on YouTube. I'm sure if one was to search for "scary freestyle motor x back flips gone wrong" you would find similar sorts of stuff.

If the shooter moves backwards faster than the RO, the RO calls stop and the shooter gets a reshoot without penalty. The RO should be better prepared next time around. If the course design involves moving backwards as a normal range of movement, a competent RO would know what is going on.

There is nothing inherently bad with moving backwards and should be practiced along with other gun handling if you are performing/competing in any practical shooting.

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Originally Posted by Beavis

We should all just shoot ISSF and be happy.

F off.

Originally Posted by Beavis

We should all just shoot ISSF and be happy.

Originally Posted by Beaker

F off.

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Originally Posted by johnd

Well just going from the video, i see guys throwing loaded firearms onto tables and there they spin and face the spectators, shouldnt the object be to remain in control of the firearm.
In other events on the video I see people chucking loaded firearms into bins, I just hoped that here we would be a bit more carefull. But it sounds like you guys are ok with this?

The title of the thread is 'Scary DQ compilation'.

That means all the bad things they are doing in the video resulted in the shooter being disqualified (DQ'd).

It is not typical of what happens on most ranges in New Zealand, although there some scary things that do happen on occasion. To some people more often than others.

Reading back over this i can see where things have been misunderstood.
When I mentioned when did things change, I kinda thought it would be picked up that I know they have changed, as previously using more than one firearm in a course of fire wasnt encouraged.
I have been involved in IPSC so I am not uneducated regarding the sport and its rules. Maybe I should of pointed this out so as to not appear as a novice / newcomer to the sport. ( but I didnt think I needed to show any credentials )
My comment refering to Stugs mention of tyro shooters moving backwards I took to mean engaging targets, this is another area that must have changed.

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how a modern 3 gun stage is managed, as i am interested to know the practicalities of this. (How is the first and second firearm treated as the shooter moves on to the next, and then how are they cleared ? )
It was always something that competitors wanted, but we never came up with effective across the board policy to entertain the notion, Going from the video I would be against anyone handling loaded firearms in the manners used therein ( throwing gun into padded barrel) ( and yeah I get it that they were DQ'ed )
Like I said initially I am not doing a wind up.

3 Gun is still run the same way it always has been, with only one gun per stage. The new rule set is Multi Gun which is the American 3 gun nation rules adapted for NZ. All the info is on the PNZ 3gun/multigun page, 3 gun

As far as I have followed it, firearms are dumped in barrels or on tables with either safety applied or fully unloaded, and if not left in the correct condition it's a DQ. Although that said I haven't had a proper read of the new rules since they were updated recently.

Thanks for that, and the link. Good to see that PNZ put in some of the history.